Fuel/violent theft2/nematodes comm removal appeal

[cobaselic]

21 hours ago, Rubik said:

Another point to consider is that knowing what fuel did, if we unban him what's to stop 500 more idiots who did the same thing from appealing as well? Maybe people that don't have such strong ties in the community.. Will they get unbanned as well? Where do we draw the line on doxxing? Only when someone got hurt irl, loses their job, or harmed themselves?

The people +1'ing this weren't doxxed by them, so they don't understand the gravity of the situation. Most of them probably weren't even around when all of that was going down.

 

17 hours ago, Money Man said:

With that being said, while you were alting as violent theft you were only a good person when I interacted with you. You would help me out and you would always be friendly when interacting with you on the server.

That doesn't change all the doxxing he did, what are you even talking about?

 

I feel like I could sit and comb through this entire appeal and find 50 similar responses as the one above, and they are very brain-dead.

 

"Hello John Wayne Gacy. I know you killed all those people and hid them in your crawlspace, but you were really nice when you were playing a clown at that birthday party. You are forgiven"

[Crabroll]

This is purely my opinion and I have read about 80% of this thread. I was not asked by any person to comment on this, I stumbled upon this while opening forums for the first time in a month.

 

I was also around when Fuel started to play, I know of his victims, his sins and the people of that group that he was associated with.

 

To premise, the things fuel did was very heinous and had real life impact on the members of our community. However, I do believe that he was influenced by the wrong crowd, manipulated by one of the worst people who have ever played on Titsrp and was just led astray. The age and maturity are also things to consider when things like this happen. Easiest example to understand is the difference in treatment when a child murders someone vs a full fleged adult. Result is the same, how its handled is different. 

 

The timeline of him leaving gamenight, timeline for when he stopped talking to so and so? Im not too worried. As you age and mature, its a continous thing. It could be realization over the span of one night, one week or one year. The point is that you have grown past this and you know what is right and wrong and you dont do it again. 

 

With that being said, Im going to move on to my suggestion for the community that I am not a part of anymore. 

 

His prior offence cannot be repeated if he does not have ties into staff. Simple solution. Permanent staff ban or at least some sort of period until he has proven himself. 

 

The people who are saying the +1's are bias, its all his friends etc etc. This would mean he has already infiltrated the highest levels of staff and would again be privy to all of upper staff information. In a way, this sort of proves he is not interested in taking private(ish) information and causing a fuss about it. Dont just think about things from one side, think about all the possibilities. 

 

I have been informed about him alting and getting staff etc. What is wrong is wrong. If you get staff and play when you are not supposed to, while it proves you can keep it clean, it is nonetheless evading a punishment that was in place. 

 

Because of above point, I would be +1 for an unban but after a set amount of time as punishment for alting. Could be a week, could be a month etc. 

Then I would do a probation for good behaviour, unrelated to staffing. Again, a time frame to prove himself through interaction with the community as a whole, not just the select individuals who interacted with him outside of titsrp. And finally a staff ban for a time that would be longer than the initial probation. 

 

 

I will double premise this by saying, I could be completely wrong and I am bias. I am bias not for or against fuel but because I hate Walter and I have a personality to support the younger generation and the belief that adults have more responsibility than the younger people they hang around thus I may push more responsibility onto Walter. That and my law background causes me to disassociate from the pain and IRL issues caused by things like this but focus moreso on the legality and intentions vs the physical problems felt by victims. For that I apologize and my hearts had been and is still with you guys. 

Edited September 19, 2024 by Crabroll

[Crabroll]

Why is staff allowing community members who were not around and only have access to third-hand information to comment and produce a braindead snowball effect btw. That doesnt really allow for a unbias vote. And the votes from people who were around but dont even play anymore (aka me) , our comments shouldnt even be counted as votes, more of suggestions and insight for existing staff members or reminders for existing members who were around and still around

Edited September 19, 2024 by Crabroll

[LeGerbs]

1 hour ago, Crabroll said:

Why is staff allowing community members who were not around and only have access to third-hand information to comment and produce a braindead snowball effect btw. That doesnt really allow for a unbias vote. And the votes from people who were around but dont even play anymore (aka me) , our comments shouldnt even be counted as votes, more of suggestions and insight for existing staff members or reminders for existing members who were around and still around

Why are we allowing new staff and players who are now and have been friends with Fuel in a private discord conversing with him to vote on a matter that should be decided by the people actually affected by Game Nights actions. Like Doc for example.

 

[Crabroll]

2 minutes ago, LeGerbs said:

Why are we allowing new staff and players who are now and have been friends with Fuel in a private discord conversing with him to vote on a matter that should be decided by the people actually affected by Game Nights actions. Like Doc for example.

 

No players should be commenting (except for people involved or was there who can offer important information), but new staff are still staff and unfortunately they are part of the governing body in charge of how to shape the server. While their information is not the best, we "trust" that they are part of the staff team who "have the server's best interest" in mind. 

Edited September 19, 2024 by Crabroll

[TapWater69]

What you did was terrible and I don't wanna take the risk of having you back and having someone else doxxed 

I'm sorry Fuel but I'ma be -1 for unban it's just to much of a risk 

And this will be my last reply I'll be checking in but I won't be replying 

 

[Mr. Burns]

This is actually ridiculous the fact that people are +1ing this appeal

I used to play with Fuel (not for a while, I wasn't the most active person in 2020-ish, however I did talk in the discord primarily), and he was the Saul Goodman of rules, in the most annoying way you can imagine. He would always give out the most harsh punishments, and (from what I recall) would not educate the player.

 

Enough of that, you were associated with people who doxxed MULTIPLE people, including spreading Doc's home address, face, and that article of Doc being a supposed pedophile. I cannot with a good conscious, +1 this. The people currently +1ing is like a 90 - 10% ratio of friends, vs people who genuinely think he's changed.

I understand you were a kid, I was a kid and did some fucked up shit however it was never near the type of shit you did. Never in my life would I dox people, or even be associated with them.

 

You dug your own grave when Piklas told you should have left them. You refused, and it ended up in you getting perm banned.

 

Last thing to mention, you alted multiple times during your ban, which y'know, maybe not do if you're trying to come back on your main.

 

-1

 

[Booper Scooper]

2 hours ago, Lavender said:

During his time playing as ViolentTheft2, he exemplified the ideal player in my opinion.
He built impressive bases and was always engaged with what people were saying in OOC. I believe he deserves another chance

Alting while banned doesn't really scream ideal player in this situation. Also, his ability to build bases has absolutely nothing to do with merit in this case.

 

6 hours ago, Crabroll said:

And the votes from people who were around but dont even play anymore (aka me) , our comments shouldnt even be counted as votes, more of suggestions and insight for existing staff members or reminders for existing members who were around and still around

 

This is already the case. I could -1 or +1 this appeal a thousand times over and it would be like peeing in the ocean. All that matters is context and staff use that to make the decision. 

 

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Basing off the bans page, it seems you were caught alting a little over a week ago. To me, this doesn't really make sense on why you were given a chance of reprieve, given the short span of time you were caught, but that's not up to me. 

 

My biggest issue with you coming back is the risk of doxxing you bring. I personally have a huge disdain towards doxxing (as most people do) and personally don't like the idea of being at risk if I ever come on the server or just in the discord.

 

You being young at the time can hold up to some degree, but the things you have said and done, as well as fail to realize your mistake sooner outweigh that slight innocence. You were not 5 years old. You were a young teenager, but still a teenager. Regardless of your hunger to try and fit in, losing track of right and wrong should never happen, when deep down you knew right from wrong.

 

You and your band of gamenighters' sole purpose was to slander this server and all of its players. You all did everything you could to try and get it blacklisted - notably calling everyone in higher command or well-known members pedophiles. This includes me as well as I've also been called a pedophile and accused of random stuff by Walter's fat slaggy ass, but I digress. 

 

Speaking of doing everything to get it taken down, you would all spy and would wait for the opportunity to see if there could be a movement of "take down TitsRP", so much to the point where a "webcam rat" was planted by Sugar himself, and an admin was told to send this to your group. This is how crazy you bastards were:  

 

 

The webcam capture would go to this image 

 

Anyway, no, I for one do not think you should come back. Much like Doc, if I was in a position of power, I wouldn't have allowed you to appeal as well. 

 

Have a great night, I'm gonna go take a shit.

Edited September 19, 2024 by Booper Scooper
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[liliansmurg]

everyone in this thread is missing the forest for the trees. this young man is entirely obsessed with titsrp and it will never leave his mind. if you deny this appeal, he will alt another 50 times and have no accountability for his actions.

 

if you accept the appeal, you lock him to an identity and e-peen he has to maintain and through that you can monitor and ultimately control his behavior. if this person is the internet psychopath you all claim he is, what's stopping him from going completely joker mode if the appeal gets denied? if you let him return to the server you can at least exercise some degree of control over his actions and make an objective judgement on his character. if he's an evil bastard you just ban him again.

 

unfortunately there is no good way to stop problem players from alting ad infinitum. it is a zero sum game. it seems like a lot of people just want the ego boost of getting this morons appeal denied.

 

i'm not saying you should let people hold the server hostage with their actions, but you have to acknowledge that titsrp is a community that for many years fostered and encouraged players like this to grow. at this point someone has to step up and address the problem head on by dealing with the person that you helped create.

 

tldr if you deny this he will keep alting and probably wont be as nice about it.

[Katoon]

i have readed more in the topic but players are telling oh he is a good player now?? i mean he evaded his punishemt by just continue to play on alt accounts
he alted what is not okey considerd what he have done and going staff while comm banned??? is far from okey
even if this get accepted he chould get a not appeable perma staff ban as it is a very bad example towards the titsrp staff crew
yes i was not around during the rampage but me as a 1 year xp player i will say these kind of past behavior chould get insta denied as he still dindt learn what punisment means as he went straight to alting on the server and even dared to become staff !!! those 2 by itself regarding the ban reason is unacceptable for appeal  let him learn what punishemnt is first than let us consider to come back after the affected players gave green light

i also have been staff im multiple servers and i myself have denied/accepted alot of ban appeals if he dindt alted i will had gave him a 10 weeks probation where any bahavior of toxicity/targetting etc. he will  be insta ban again   but if you than include alting and lying as staff i will had denied straight away

Edited September 19, 2024 by Katoon