Fuel/violent theft2/nematodes comm removal appeal

[newest player]

4 hours ago, chud said:

as someone who was given a 2nd chance in the community after being comm removed and alting a bunch I think that saying someone shouldn’t be given a 2nd chance just because they were comm removed is a bit unfair. fuels proven that he’s changed so I don’t see the harm in giving him a probationary period and allowing him to return. 

I am also one of the many users who’ve been comm removed and unbanned. I still believe people deserve a second chance. If nothing else after so long.

Edited September 18, 2024 by Frisco

[F___]

While I haven't had much interaction with you while you were alting as staff and when you were playing I don't think it would change what I have to say here.

 

You were originally removed for doxxing several members of the community at the time for no real reason other than for the entertainment of the chaos it caused. I've also heard that you were just a toxic player in general. 

Alot of people here are using the defence that you were just a lost kid that ended up with the wrong groups that turned you this way and while this is probably true it still doesn't defend your actions that caused your removal.

 

There's a few things that don't sit right me with this appeal with some of the replies here, first is the very clear bias towards unbanning Fuel, people here are saying "He's been my friend for a while now and I can for sure say he's changed", As Gerbs said, this is basically the definition of bias, how are you going to be able to vote properly when the player in question is your friend? 

 

Recently you were caught alting as staff, it's kind of odd that all these friends of yours here who are staff somehow never knew you were alting but that's a separate issue that will have to dealt with internally. However you use this time as a reason to prove how you've changed as a person because during this time you had no issues with anyone and were just a friendly guy to be around. I greatly dislike this argument because of how easy it is to fake a positive person for a short time until eventually it wares down and something bad comes out. This is exactly what happened to Haze_of_Dreams, he managed to butter up new staff that weren't involved with the original removal and ignored all the old community members that were involved in his removal and put on a fake façade long enough to return until he slowly turned back into his old toxic ways and eventually got removed again. How can we tell this won't happen with you? 

 

You've alted multiple times while being removed, usually we punish for this yet multiple people here saying because of your last time alting the way you acted was very different you shouldn't be banned. This seems like a reward for alting while banned...

 

On 9/17/2024 at 8:57 AM, DeSantis said:

right at the start of 2024 he had a meltdown and banned all of us lmfao. havent heard of him since

So my understanding from this is that you still in contact with Waltar that that whole group until they cut you off, if they hadn't of cut you off would you still be contact with them? Also this would have only been 9 months ago that they would've cut you off, that IMO is not a massive amount of time that you've been apart from that group to make a meaningful change from what you were to not at all. If the story was you cut off all contact 2 years ago it would be different and I'd be more willing to believe it but as of right now its too soon to say if you have truly changed or not.

 

The defence from Chud, Frisco & b0ne on this appeal about being given a 2nd chance after being removed are not the same what so ever.

 

Chud you were removed for Pedo accusations towards Doc who was Superadmin and the time aswell as general drama mongering. This is no where near as serious as Doxxing someone. 

 

Frisco, you were removed for saying you hoped a player died in a car crash while in a call with them. This is no where near as serious as Doxxing someone.

 

b0ne, you were removed for general player toxicity. This is no where near as serious as Doxxing someone.

 

All of you guys were given second chances because the server has changed since you were removed. The rulings on Pedo accusations were changed, general sentiments of the server changed towards toxicity or an Admin team decided that you should be given a second chance.

 

As stated the reasons you guys were removed is no where as serious as going out of your way, collecting person information and spreading it around for the entertainment for it. Even if it wasn't him directly he was still closely involved with the people that did and only stopped when they cut him off.

 

Rivtuu stated in this appeal that accepting this sets a new precedent and this is a sentiment I agree with. There have been plenty of toxic individuals that have been removed from Titsrp over time, some doing things smaller than what Fuel did or greater than. If we do go ahead and unban Fuel what stops others from coming out of the wood works and attempting to appeal? They will just use this appeal as proof that we can give out second chances and Community Removals aren't true removals. Why is Fuels circumstance different to others other than he's friends with a bunch of staff?

 

Overall I don't think you should be allowed to return to the community, you've done your damage to the community now you have to deal with it. 

 

-1 For Unban

[Tene]

9 hours ago, Riv said:

To accept this would set the precedents that our comm removals mean nothing. 

they already dont as seen from the people above and the many comm removals that have been overturned. sure u can say they are for different reasons but at the end of the day its still comm removals getting removed and people getting unbanned.

 

 

34 minutes ago, F___ said:

You've alted multiple times while being removed, usually we punish for this yet multiple people here saying because of your last time alting the way you acted was very different you shouldn't be banned. This seems like a reward for alting while banned...

i think if hes shown on his last alt that he is normal non toxic and overall a benefit to the community (he literally got staff and was actively helping the team and making a positive impact) then it should be taken into account. sure it does give the idea of reward for alting while banned but if someone wants to alt anyways theyre going to do it. he couldve alted and continued being malicious, he couldve continued to doxx, he couldve continued to be a bastard. does this make up for anything he did? no. does it show that he is changed? to me yes.

if his alt wasnt caught and wasnt banned he most likely wouldve continued playing on that for as long as he could (potentially even years), if it was just a facade so that he could eventually make an appeal then he wouldve got himself caught earlier on purpose so that he could use his alt as a defense/reason. the fact that he didnt do this to me shows that this is his current personality and he is a good person.


My thoughts:
I remember when fuel was a staff grinder and had like 6k sits, he was arguably the best staff at the time but lost all of his friends because of it. Fuel then decided to quit the staff team and fake a new persona (which some of us saw through but it seems retards fell for it) and he joined the main basing/raiding group. After around a week or 2 (my timeline may be off) he snitched to the staff team about OG's alt account (perma banned player at the time, fuel snitched to the staff team because he thought what he did was good for the server and the right thing to do) and went back to being a staff the next day.

This led to literally everyone he could be friends with hating him, chesmond touched upon this but that was from their group which iirc wasnt crazily involved in this other group but were mutuals, but now the basing and raiding group, and the general server, all hated him. The literal only people that liked him were gamenight and walter's group, so inevitably he joins them and as a literal 13-14 year old (i forget his age) he does what he can to fit in with the group and try and be funny and liked, because no one else likes him.

If you were 13-14, lockdown started so you're not going to school, you're not seeing any of your friends at school, you are fat, you are bald, you have a hard life at home in general, and then the community you spend all of your time on now also hates you, would you not get desperate for friends or for attention?
I can see how and why Fuel was involved in doxxing, it was trying to fit and trying to get the most attention. Im not sure if he was the one who found the information or anything but I see why he did it and why he thought it was cool/funny at the time.

When I was 13 during lockdown I did and said some very weird and strange stuff for the wow factor and the ''wtf?'' reaction for attention. If you want to deep dive (dont) you will see that 3-4 years ago I was incredibly cringe and doing incredibly outrageous things for attention and trying to justify them. My 6 month ban from 2020 is because of this behaviour and Im sure if it was anyone else it would've been a perma, but because of my age and because I was just an attention seeking kid I was given a 6 month ban and improved a ton after that (i never repeated the behaviour i was banned for because I realised how bad it was and stopped hardcore attention seeking for friendgroup validation).
I have been edgy and said edgy stuff for attention, Fuel being part of gamenight is in my opinion the same situation I was in and I do truly believe he has changed and sees where he went wrong and how cringe and weird it was.


I used to genuinely hate Fuel. People would tell me he's chill etc and I would still hate him. My friends would be friends with him and talk to him, and I still would hate him. My dms with fuel are filled with us arguing and me hating him. 
Part of me still dislikes Fuel, but to say he hasn't changed would be a complete lie. I have spoken to fuel a decent amount, in call and in messages, he in no way shape or form is the same person I interacted with years ago, and is nowhere near the person he was when he did what he was banned for.

Judging fuel for his past actions that he did for attention when in a negative friendgroup is ridiculous especially if I am not being judged for the way I acted years ago. Children are impressionable, they do stupid shit for attention especially when everyone else pushes them away and hates them. 
Fuel's alt shows that he has changed, fuel's conversations with me show me that he has changed, and off of personal experience knowing how it is to act like Fuel, I know that he has changed for the better and is no longer the same person he was.

I personally am confident enough in my decision that I am willing to receive a community removal myself in the event that Fuel is unbanned and continues his 2020-22 behaviour.
+1 for unban or reduction to 3 months

[Kio]

I'm gonna agree with F___ and Heo What you did was completely uncalled for, you had multiple chances Fuel and you blew it every single time... 

I honestly believe you haven't changed, Given the incidents where we gave you the benefit of the doubt and let you play, You just crashed out. I can see you being unbanned in the far future but not right now... There's people that still haven't come to terms with what you did to them and honestly don't feel comfortable with you back in the community. 

 

-1

[LeGerbs]

I'm changing my sentiment from Neutral to -1.

 

This feels like an attempt to get unbanned carried by friends of Fuel all of which were not affected by game nights/Fuels actions.  All of which mind you admitted to being friends with him for a significant period of time now. I'm not comfortable with an obvious bias affecting a ban appeal. I also have no issues with any of the friends of Fuel and I can to a degree understand why they would want him back. 

 

They however are not the people Fuel should be appealing to it should be everyone that him and game night affected.

[Tene]

6 minutes ago, LeGerbs said:

All of which mind you admitted to being friends with him for a significant period of time now.

Hello i would like it to be known im not friends with fuel at all, and stated in my reply that part of me still does not like him.

 

 

6 minutes ago, LeGerbs said:

They however are not the people Fuel should be appealing to it should be everyone that him and game night affected.

This sentiment should also be counted for everyone who -1ed without being affected by him.

I had several voice calls and hour long arguments with Fuel whilst he was doing what he did, and gamenight even accused me of being a pedophile and tried to slander my name to a ton of people, which made me join their discord and argue and defend myself.
Thought I should reply to this because you made your reply and started typing right after I made mine, I want it to be known my conversations with fuel have been after he was banned on his most recent account and before that before his alt even existed on the server as far as I am aware. He for the last year has been trying to apologise to me but he knows how much I hate him. I am in no way biased for Fuel because I ''like him'', I can just sympathise with him because of me doing similar things (in terms of outrageousness) when I was his age.

I also was involved in a doxxing group when I was 12-13 because I was attentionseeking! I hope none of you will treat me differently after knowing this!

Edited September 18, 2024 by Tene

[LeGerbs]

1 minute ago, Tene said:

Hello i would like it to be known im not friends with fuel at all, and stated in my reply that part of me still does not like him.

 

 

This sentiment should also be counted for everyone who -1ed without being affected by him.

I had several voice calls and hour long arguments with Fuel whilst he was doing what he did, and gamenight even accused me of being a pedophile and tried to slander my name to a ton of people, which made me join their discord and argue and defend myself.
Thought I should reply to this because you made your reply and started typing right after I made mine, I want it to be known my conversations with fuel have been after he was banned and before his alt even existed on the server as far as I am aware. He for the last year has been trying to apologise to me but he knows how much I hate him. I am in no way biased for Fuel because I like him, I can just sympathise with him because of me doing similar things (in terms of outrageousness) when I was his age.

I also was involved in a doxxing group when I was 12-13 because I was attentionseeking! I hope none of you will treat me differently after knowing this!

Your response was not an influencing factor on my opinion. I understand you were affected and I know personally you dislike him. 

 

I find this appeal to be a joke because anyone who has alted within the same month mind you and became staff would never have a chance at getting accepted.

[Kio]

1 minute ago, Tene said:

This sentiment should also be counted for everyone who -1ed without being affected by him.

Hello I've personally been affected by Mr Fuel this sentence is invalid...

[Heosphoros]

After reviewing all the information, I have decided to maintain the ban. Your actions were uncalled for and unprovoked, and I believe the ban should remain in place. Regardless of the time that has passed, you still need to be held accountable for what you did. Therefore, I am strongly against lifting the ban after further investigation.

 

-1 for unban!

[Tene]

talking about bias but making all 3 of ur replies within the same 20 minutes whilst in a vc with eachother is quite weird.
this is my last comment