Mori Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) In-Game Name silver Your Steam ID STEAM_0:1:128931255 Why were you banned or warned? Prop abuse (Placing props during raid| Thomas Train) Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? I was told by Ironfish1 that the summoning of a train both starts and stops a raid allowing you to place a dupe during the train. As in the rules stated the train is not supposed to be used for raiding purposes and I was told this was allowed. In the sit the staff member Larry Cake also known as Aeolous now gave me the note/verbal after speaking with Mav/Shoebill. I was told to post an appeal as a discussion have occurred about this rule as it was a gray area rule and different opinions were being tossed around. Who warned/banned you? Larry Cake/Aeolus How long were you warned or banned for? Warning Edited October 10, 2023 by Mori 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tene Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) Hey, while I'm not related to this scenario I have useful information to provide. I asked an admin a few months ago about this and he said it was perfectly allowed, as the raid starts, and then ends within the same second that the train is spawned, allowing you to remove/place ur dupe -- as it is a natural event and only considered a raid so that picolas cage is put on a timer the moment he summons the train to prevent him swapping jobs and doing further raid actions. I don't see why this shouldnt be allowed, as the raid both starts and ends the instant the train is spawned, so there is no raid, and since picolas cage can't raid anyways there is no ongoing raid preventing him fromย removing his dupe. (opinion shared by me/community and other admins of the past) If staff want to hide this feel free to but it should be something seen and read by staff members so please read ! ! ! ! ย Edited October 10, 2023 by Tene 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironfish1 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Tene said: Hey, while I'm not related to this scenario I have useful information to provide. I asked an admin a few months ago about this and he said it was perfectly allowed, as the raid starts, and then ends within the same second that the train is spawned, allowing you to remove/place ur dupe -- as it is a natural event and only considered a raid so that picolas cage is put on a timer the moment he summons the train to prevent him swapping jobs and doing further raid actions. I don't see why this shouldnt be allowed, as the raid both starts and ends the instant the train is spawned, so there is no raid, and since picolas cage can't raid anyways there is no ongoing raid preventing him fromย removing his dupe. (opinion shared by me/community and other admins of the past) If staff want to hide this feel free to but it should be something seen and read by staff members so please read ! ! ! ! ย ย ย Thank you for the context Tene! I think since you're giving very valuable insight this should be allowed to stay up. I personally completely agree with Crabroll here. When I was first asked about this situation I saw zero problem with a dupe being placed to stop a train from damaging ents. The train signifies a start and immediate end of the raid for Picolas Cage. I'm a +1 for a removal of the addnote. ย Best Regards, Ironfish1 Edited October 10, 2023 by Ironfish1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddim Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Hey Silver, coincidentally enough I asked Coconut about this last night when questions were raised and I was told that its going to be a discussion among the admins.ย ย However, since you were warned prior to that and it is a grey area with no definitive answer, it wouldn't be fair to punish anyone for a rule that not even admins currently know the answer to. ย +1 for removal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahhhhh Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I agree with Ironfish I see no reason why you shouldnโt be able to use props/dupes to prevent a Thomas from exploding and blowing up entities, especially if it was summoned onto you. (But I wonder if this will change with the grenades) Anyways I amย +1 for the warn removal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahya Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Ironfish1 said: ย ย Thank you for the context Tene! I think since you're giving very valuable insight this should be allowed to stay up. I personally completely agree with Crabroll here. When I was first asked about this situation I saw zero problem with a dupe being placed to stop a train from damaging ents. The train signifies a start and immediate end of the raid for Picolas Cage. I'm a +1 for a removal of the addnote. ย Best Regards, Ironfish1 ย ย ย ย Hello Mori,ย ย ย I'll go with the fellow staff opinions here and be for a +1 for removal of the warn/note ย 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smer Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 If this is disallowed, I can easily see people working around this by placing props anytime before a raid and activating them with fading doors instead. People simply don't want their hard work and entities blown up with a gimmick. Regardless, since the ruling is unclear and undecided I'm +1 for removing the note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Spawning a thomas train on someone as picolas cage does not mean that a raid has started, so you can just delete and paste any dupe thatย you want in order to protect your stuff from said thomas train so long as it was spawned by picolas cage and it wasnt a thomas grenade ย +1 for note removal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Succ The Zucc Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 +1 I agree with Ironfish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AflictoGaming Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 basically everything has been said so i don't really have anything else to put so i will be a +1ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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