Wilhelm Panderino Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) In-Game Name dame Your Steam ID ill get it in a few Why were you banned or warned? rdm Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? this was clear crossfire,after giving the clip to toosi said he was gonna verbal me because it was obvious crossfire and then warned me out of spite because i called him out on his behavior as staff due to him accusing me of mass rdm and saying i was going to be banned, he claimed he "spectated me" and seen me rdm 8 players (his words) not one of my kills were rdm (other than the obvious crossfire) the player not once asked why i killed him or pmed me, he reported a single rdm (which staff refuse to take my sits on single rdms) He warned me because i wasnt bowing down to his authority Who warned/banned you? toosi How long were you warned or banned for? Edited September 28, 2021 by Wilhelm Panderino 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGerbs Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Crossfire is still against the rules and can still be considered RDM. It is up to the staff member to decide whether they feel you deserved a warn or a verbal. This warn is valid since you admitted to crossfire in your appeal. -1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toosii Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) "Only Verbal Warnings or !warns should be given when it was an accident." "...depending on the player's attitude and punishment history" ^^Those are taken directly from the punishment guidelines for our server. The whole sit you argued, called me an idiot and were just overall very toxic and had a horrid attitude. You also have an active warn for RDM, and MULTIPLE older warns for RDM too. At the same time, 3 citizens were on and all mass rdming, so when I took your sit I assumed you were part of the group. You had killed like 8 people in 2 minutes so of course it seemed that way to me at first. That was RIGHT when I teleported you and before I knew all the facts (I was just trying to stop the multiple MRDMers we had on.), and hadn't verified through all the logs yet. So that is why I believed you to be mass rdming at first. It is also clearly stated in the server rules that YOU are still responsible if you kill somebody in crossfire. "He warned me because i wasnt bowing down to his authority" False. I warned you because you were very toxic in this sit (as you are towards most of the staff team) and you still did break rule. I think you should read up on crossfire rules in our !motd. Edited September 28, 2021 by RAY RAY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelm Panderino Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) what utter bullshit, i called you and the guy who reported a single rdm idiots BEFORE you said i was getting a verbal. I called you out on your behavior and you warned me for it. 21 minutes ago, RAY RAY said: The whole sit you argued, called me an idiot and were just overall very toxic and had a horrid attitude. Yes i was arguing the whole sit because you were lying from the start and accusing me of mass rdm, you claimed multiple players reported me (false) and claimed you watch me rdm 8 players (also false), You expect me to sit there quietly? lol. That active warn is for me rdming an actual mass rdmer who reported me because he was salty ( we both left that sit with warns) Those prior warns are over 2 and a half years old and should not be considered in any way. 21 minutes ago, RAY RAY said: At the same time, 3 citizens were on and all mass rdming, so when I took your sit I assumed you were part of the group. You had killed like 8 people in 2 minutes so of course it seemed that way to me at first. this is a lie, you claimed you spectated me and seen they were rdm, clips will be on the report. 21 minutes ago, RAY RAY said: It is also clearly stated in the server rules that YOU are still responsible if you kill somebody in crossfire. again, bullshit. you said i was getting a verbal because it was very obvious accidental and didnt like the truth i was speaking so you warned me. also clipped. This warn was completely out of spite and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that. im uploading a player report with more clips regarding the situation and warn Edited September 28, 2021 by Wilhelm Panderino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toosii Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) You were warned because you committed RDM and were toxic in our sit. I was going to just give you a verbal but the way you were acting after committing RDM is the reason you got a actual warn instead. End of story. Don't want to be warned? Don't break the rules. And you are right I did think you MRDMed when I first brought you, I admitted I was mistaken and that's why you were not punished for MRDM. I'm not going to argue or go back and forth about this anymore. I will let other staff/ my higher ups decide what is done about this situation. Edited September 28, 2021 by RAY RAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelm Panderino Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, RAY RAY said: You were warned because you committed RDM and were toxic in our sit. End of story. Don't want to be warned? Don't break the rules. lets quote rules Quote DO try to talk to the person who RDM’d you before calling a sit This never happened either, you went off the fact that you said i was mass rdming. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toosii Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Just to clear something up, some of the staff are thinking the reason I warned him was because he killed the gun dealer in the video he posted. The warning is actually for him killing the citizen standing behind the gun dealer (which is why it was crossfire, not IRDM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mori Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 This post is no longer denied and is up for discussion with the staff. @Wilhelm Panderino if you have anything else to add you may again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyz37 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Alright, here is my input on the situation. I just replied to the other topic that was the report on toosii for the exact same instance. I am going to quote myself here so I do not have to retype the exact same thing again. "In my opinion, it was a clear RDM. As per the rules RDM is any unjustified killing of a player. I am stating this cause it is differentiated from IRDM which is INTENTIONAL RDM. That being said RDM can be an accidental kill such as a crossfire. I had not trouble watching the clips a few times each to get an idea on what exactly happened and to formulate what I believe should be done. My verdict on the situation is this, the sit itself was handled poorly but additionally the attitude towards "SHORESTONE!" was also very poor. He was just reporting an RDM that happened to him. I don't see why you are being toxic and hostile to him calling him an idiot. I get why you called toosii an idiot as he was handling the issue against you poorly. The toxicity in the sit is the main issue I have with it. I say a warn of some kind is justified in this instance whether it be a verbal or a real warn. The poor handling of the sit is what I am going to place the verdict on though. The poor handling is grounds for him to be talked to about it. If need be I will definitely be talking to him about how he handles his sits and how it could have been executed better. " That being taken care of, The kill was indeed RDM. The attitude was poor during the sit. I get how it can be frustrating to have a sit that is handled poorly. Even though it is frustrating, keeping the name calling down during the sit would have gotten you a lot farther than the berating and name calling that went down. It was RDM so I am going to say -1 for a full warn removal but if the others agree to change it to a verbal I am alright with that as it still is within the punishment guidelines to give a verbal for such an instance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{GN} Isaac Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) This was obviously not rdm and honestly looks like an accident. Clearly can tell dude was not paying no attention to him. But my fellow staff members are right. Cross fire can be rdm. You can be warned for it. The warn is valid according to proper punishment times. I had a similar situation just like you and I will post the clip. Actually player called a sit on me for this because he thought I intentionally rdmed him. I honestly think the warn should be removed. This was a complete accident.. I'm honestly thinking we should not warn for these types of “rdm” My opinion tho. Edited September 28, 2021 by {GN} Isaac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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