Hobo Dad's Discord Ban Appeal

[The Worst Dad]

In-Game Name

Dad

Your Steam ID

STEAM_0:1:42999674

Why were you banned or warned?

I am going to assume I was banned for drama, or at the very least, drama mongering. When realistically all I did was ping staff with the image, and even censored out sensitive/nsfw parts of the image. I believe this would have had the same effect of me simply making a report, and posting the image here on the forums. It would have been openly available to the public either way. I did this, because I had heard of talks about possibly unbanning him. Which was strange, given this was not even a topic of discussion days before. But I am here about my unban, not about the unban of two community removed members, a day after my resignation.

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

I do not believe being banned for posting evidence of a former community member's heinous behavior and warning the community at large should be a problem.

Who warned/banned you?

That is a great question.

How long were you warned or banned for?

I assumed permanently.

I received a picture of what I believed to be evidence of a former community member's pedophilic behavior, and I decided to post in general chat for everyone to see. Because they were a prolific member of the community. They were supposed to be a pillar, one people could trust, and look up to. They were the Head Admin. A position that was paid, by the owner(s) of the server. The person that was supposed to be trusted to do the right thing. He has been with the server for a long time, longer than I have, a person at the highest level of staff. I even used to be close friends with him. Me and him went from T-Mod to Admin together. We were an amazing team before. So it feels in part my responsibility to do something about it. And I felt the community deserved to know that the person they once looked up to, possibly could be not what they appear to be. Especially because I know that various members of the community still associate and play with him, and I had their best interests at heart. Something that I have always done in both of my runs as Staff.
 

I understand I took a risk of that screenshot being fake when I posted it, but it payed off given that the person in question validated it, saying it was infact a real screenshot of his penis. But the only things in which he refutes is the age, which she claimed by to be 24(I'm not buying it), but then that doesn't make sense given the context of the conversation. Which is strange, given he calls her his "little baby" and she calls herself "little baby infant". A point he didn't even seem to refute when originally asked about it by another community member. Something that doesn't add up, even further, through my own self admitted mistakes I was also involved with this disgusting creature. Sadly, in a way where it was more than friends. One thing that not only myself but any other staff member that was around at the time knew, Spektor was very open with her age, she often remarked how she was 32 years old. Another thing that doesn't add up; the content in the screenshot was not a common thing during our brief time together; this is definitely out of left field. In the end, I was also one of the people who had investigated her behavior on other servers, as she was also community removed from many different servers for very similar behavior. I had also exposed her when she was a staff member on Atomic, because they deserved to know who they were dealing with as well, given her history.

One of the craziest parts to me is that I was banned AFTER the screenshot was validated. Originally, it was deleted and I was timed out on the discord for ten minutes. Then the morning after, I was banned. Through out all this not a single person reached out to me to discuss the terms of my ban. I had to find out through other members of the community. And I know it's been just a few days since my resignation, but that's definitely not procedure. As for the reason I did not reach out to an Admin+, one of them has been on an off LoA for nearly 2 months, something I do not hold against him as it is due to illnesses and work, and the other admin only does the bare minimum in terms of time and effort put forth to the community. These are the two reasons as to which I did not reach out to an admin, these reasons were also a big part of my resignation.

I've already considered the server's image before posting this screenshot. The guy is already community removed, this was just a PSA to anyone who still talks to him, and to stay away from him. What was not a good look for the server, was banning the person looking out for the community members. From my point of view, instead of dealing with the person who is the issue(Coconut), Rubik has instead banned me, and is accusing Ironfish of blackmailing me to post the image in Gen chat. Which I only found out, because Ironfish reached out to me to see if I told Rubik if I was being blackmailed by him. So I had to draw assumptions, and my assumptions lead me to the fact that Rubik threatened or at least came to the conclusion that Iron was blackmailing me. And when I tried to get more information out of Iron, he declined, out of fear for and I quote, "Being banned by Rubik.". And still, at no point in any of this, has Rubik even reached out to me.
 

Hopefully all of this does not fall on deaf ears, and hopefully this post is not instantly denied or moved to a staff only section. Thank you for spending the time to read this, I wish you all a good day.

 

Best Regards,
Hobo Dad.

 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2024 by The Worst Dad

[Rubik]

Hello Hobo, as you know I am the one who banned you. I prob won't be able to address every single concern you have but I will try to at least explain why I banned you. As an ex-admin, you would recall situations in the past where people have shared evidence with the wrong parties and it resulted in a whole bunch of drama. I believe if your intention was to truly bring this concern to our attention, you would have sent it to me or a staff member directly. 

 

I also took into account the fact that you posted the face of community member in staff chat as admin after another player was banned for doing the same thing. You also used your admin permissions to upload an emoji of their face to the Discord without permission. 

 

 

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From my point of view, instead of dealing with the person who is the issue(Coconut), Rubik has instead banned me, and is accusing Ironfish of blackmailing me to post the image in Gen chat.

Coconut remains community removed and we have no intention of unbanning him. I appreciate your concern for the server but the way you handled it was way out of line with our community guidelines as well as Discord's terms of service regarding NSFW content.

 

"Accusing" and "speculating" are not one in the same and the speculation you're referencing was from a conversation between ironfish & myself and internal staff chats. I have and will not "accuse" someone of anything that I cannot prove actually happened. This does not have anything to you with your ban and iron remains free to participate in the Discord as long as he abides by the community guidelines. 

 

 

For the record - if I had been made aware of this behavior from Coco I never would have suggested we revisit his ban. I apologize to anyone that feels like I was out of line for this or somehow defending him, that was not my intention. I take this shit seriously but I cannot act on someone I have no idea exists. What upset me about this situation is that all parties involved withheld the evidence from me for some reason. 

 

[Ironfish1]

(I WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED DO NOT HIDE THIS) While owning up to all of this will most likely end up in me being banned, I personally find it weird how someone posting evidence where ALL OF THE NSFW CONTENT WAS BLURRED is considered drama mongering. But me posting an edited meme to joke about sensitive information and therefore bringing it back up after it was deleted is not drama mongering. I personally don't believe either of these things are drama mongering. A couple weeks ago people were posting pictures of Walter and Mads, poking fun at them, calling them groomers, etc... but it was allowed because they're comm removed. Why does this logic not apply to Coconut Overflow?

This is the meme that I sent ^

Edited March 3, 2024 by Ironfish1

[Rubik]

This is clearly a doctored image. I also spoke to you directly about this, again unrelated to this appeal.

[The Worst Dad]

7 minutes ago, Rubik said:

Hello Hobo, as you know I am the one who banned you. I prob won't be able to address every single concern you have but I will try to at least explain why I banned you. As an ex-admin, you would recall situations in the past where people have shared evidence with the wrong parties and it resulted in a whole bunch of drama. I believe if your intention was to truly bring this concern to our attention, you would have sent it to me or a staff member directly. 

 

I also took into account the fact that you posted the face of community member in staff chat as admin after another player was banned for doing the same thing. You also used your admin permissions to upload an emoji of their face to the Discord without permission. 

 

I 100% did this. I 100% did upload someone's publically accessible face, from a publically accessible application from the internet, and made an emoji out of it.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Rubik said:

Coconut remains community removed and we have no intention of unbanning him. I appreciate your concern for the server but the way you handled it was way out of line with our community guidelines as well as Discord's terms of service regarding NSFW content

This is a whole lot of community feedback in a Staff only post....
And considering any and all content that would be considered NSFW, was blurred out.

[Rubik]

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This is a whole lot of community feedback in a Staff only post....
And considering any and all content that would be considered NSFW, was blurred out.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make about this thread. It was made on Feb 28th before you posted these logs and has since been closed. Again I was not aware of this incident at the time and if you or Iron had reached out to me directly this would have been handled without any trouble. I'll leave this open for more staff feedback but I'm not going to be in support of an unban at this time. 

 

 

[AflictoGaming]

13 minutes ago, The Worst Dad said:

I 100% did this. I 100% did upload someone's publically accessible face, from a publically accessible application from the internet, and made an emoji out of it.

Since it seems i am involved in this for some reason because of you i would like to just post this here. "5. Posting other user's information / pictures without permission will result in an immediate slam." 

You were admin and knew you couldn't do this and still did it. You used your role as a admin in the discord to break these rules cause I'm guessing it was funny to you? You most def knew better so even without the second part for what rubik said you would have still have gotten banned. 

 

Have a great day yall. 

[LeGerbs]

I was a part of this as well. 

 

Let's first start with the point of this appeal and that's to be unbanned. I agree with making it known about a very prevalent member of the community and how it's important for everyone to know what kind of person he actually is. As for the approach it could've been handled better instead of posting it in gen chat for everyone to see you could've given everyone some insight on it AFTER the staff team was able to view said screenshot. I don't believe this should land a permanent discord ban as players have definitely gotten away with way worse. I do however believe a good one month timeout is appropriate in this situation.

 

As for what people are saying that this image could be altered or doctored in any way. It's possible but HIGHLY unlikely. I took some time in photoshop and tested a few different scenarios. One being the distorted colorations and the size of the 4 compared to the other letters. The 4 tends to be taller than any lowercase letter and because everything surrounding it was lowercase it stuck out like a sore thumb. That is totally normal. The colorations around the 4 are also on all of the other letters in the screenshot meaning that it isn't a standout. This happens due to compression and or the quality of the screenshot or program used.

 

I also considered the fact that this screenshot could have been doctored using inspect element in the web version. Here's how you can tell, using photoshop you can see that the CMYK colorscale of the grey background discord uses is VERY SLIGHTLY lighter in the web version meaning that if the screenshot grey color was the same color variable as the web version it was very likely to be doctored. However it wasn't it matched the app versions color which was slightly darker meaning that it's highly unlikely it was doctored unless they somehow had inspect element on her discord app. *THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS IMAGE WAS NOT DOCTORED IN ANY WAY* This only means it could have only been doctored if she had inspect element on her discord app. 

 

Coconut was also not able to refute any of the claims and his main point just being that he put "24" instead of 4 but doesn't discuss the rest of the conversation. I find it highly unlikely that coconut is telling the truth in this situation and now needs to provide proof of his innocence. 

 

I appreciate light being brought to this situation as I was close friends with coconut before I left early last year. I think it should've been handled better from both parties. 

 

If you want the evidence of the image MORE THAN LIKELY not being doctored feel free to dm me on discord and I can show you how you can check.

 

-LeGerbs#9421

[{GN} Isaac]

Huge negative as a former admin the way you went out just immature and sad. This ban is deserved and I’m with rubik 100%. All I see are excuses here have a good one -1

[Smelly]

-1

 

Hobo Dad should have known this to be sensitive information and not plastered it around. It should have been brought to staff for further action and not placed in general chat for the world to see when its authenticity was in question. Real or not, there is a route that needs to be taken to safeguard this kind of stuff from leaking out into the public.