Ember ban appeal

[cobaselic]

Just now, Ember said:

No Cobaselic is making the point if he sees a random player MRDMing. Theres a big difference between someone that actually plays the server and a random person that logged on for the first time to MRDM

That's not the point I'm making at all, I'm saying that if someone calls a sit for MassRDM and I can see in the logs that the person they called a sit on killed 12 people with an SBC cannon at the spawn tunnel that person is getting banned for MassRDM. You yourself said that you know better, but you did it anyways.

[Ember]

3 minutes ago, cobaselic said:

That's not the point I'm making at all, I'm saying that if someone calls a sit for MassRDM and I can see in the logs that the person they called a sit on killed 12 people with an SBC cannon at the spawn tunnel that person is getting banned for MassRDM. You yourself said that you know better, but you did it anyways.

The point is that you should go off reports rather than kills total lol. Oh no 1 person reported me and 2 if you include the staff member i RDMed so two people had problems with my actions.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Ember

[cobaselic]

Just now, Ember said:

The point is that you should go off reports rather than kills total lol. Oh no 1 person reported me and 2 if you include the staff member i RDMed so two people had problems with my actions.

my brother in christ you have already admitted that you did MassRDM and that you know better. You're spinning in circles here. You were reported, logs showed that you blasted 12 people at the spawn tunnel with an SBC. You got banned for it, and now you're angry because not enough people reported you? Come on man

[Ember]

1 minute ago, cobaselic said:

my brother in christ you have already admitted that you did MassRDM and that you know better. You're spinning in circles here. You were reported, logs showed that you blasted 12 people at the spawn tunnel with an SBC. You got banned for it, and now you're angry because not enough people reported you? Come on man

I legit admitted to MRDM because yes I did MRDM but still no one really reported me and took problem with it except a single person that I could of prolly talked to and paid him if he lost anything but Succ didn't bring him, didnt say anyone reported me and also took a picture of half his screen not the reasoning. And also Im just saying you should go off number of reports rather than kills total.

[Ember]

Just now, Ember said:

I legit admitted to MRDM because yes I did MRDM but still no one really reported me and took problem with it except a single person that I could of prolly talked to and paid him if he lost anything but Succ didn't bring him, didnt say anyone reported me and also took a picture of half his screen not the reasoning. And also Im just saying you should go off number of reports rather than kills total.

He legit sat in the sit I went to go get my food I asked who reported me he said he did it was only him in the sit lol

[Tene]

Would like to bring up here: ember didnt hop on to mass rdm, he hopped on to base, we saw that this guy was streaming and having a blast so we decided we'd play alongside him and his group of like 10-15 people that were following him around. Streamer started a monkey revolution as I had given him an SBC cannon to go and do so, Ember decided to be a traitor and take out the monkey revolution via his own sbc from a rooftop, everyone found it funny and didn't care. The monkey revolution was going on again and this time things were ramping up in spawn tunnel, Ember again counters their monkey revolt by shooting into spawn tunnel, again, a very very large majority of the people he killed did not care and found it funny as it was in an rp scenario (being the monkey uprising). 
1 of the people he accidently killed was apparently not in the monkey revolution and decided to report him, Ember then shoots his SBC in the sit (i ASSUME he was just spamming left click and shot him accidently when he was brought but i cant confirm that) and kills Succ, totalling to 2 reports for rdm (or RDM | IRDM in sit).

When Ember is saying he massed its because yes he did, but no one else cared, because it was all part of a roleplay scenario that everyone was enjoying and having fun in. The thing with Succ saying 'I got a 3rd one btw' just doesn't really count for anything, because the user clearly didn't care hence why he didnt make a report, but did say to succ (hours later by the way) that yes it was RDM - again, the guy didnt make a report, nor care, he just stated yeah it was rdm, so I'm not sure why this even matters.

If we're going off of standards set by other cases like this, we are only to count RDMs that were REPORTED as you cannot tell who was/wasn't friends with the user. Typically yes, for new players you don't really do this UNLESS they specifically bring up in the sit that 'hey it was my friend' or 'hey how many reported me'. As Ember says, if it's a new player with like no playtime and they are gunning down everyone, sure you can assume he's massing, but when you take him to the sit, you should ALWAYS ask 'why are you killing people' or other, I have seen way too many staff just jailtp mass rdmers and then proceed to ban after confirming logs of mass rdm exists instead of asking why the user massed. I do this all the time in my sits for mass RDM and can say that 60% of the time the other people 'RDMed' dont actually care or are friends with the user/they are messing around with eachother, which leads to typically a warn for RDM. 
Since I know this will be brought up in staff chat - yes you should private message people who were mass rdmed (in sits where the user is denying they massed, or they are asking who reported them / 'no one cared though') to make sure that 1) they were rdmed and 2) do they care? If no one but that 1 user cares, why are we punishing for that?

One last time: by using precedent, Ember should only be taking punishment for the amount of users who reported him, as that is the same treatment we have given to other users in the past who have 'massed' but had no one care except for 1 or 2 people, especially if they state in the sit 'who cared' or similar, and most especially if they make a ban appeal with their argument being that no one cared (True btw, literally only 1 person cared, I was with that group of 10-15 for like 2 hours straight and had a blast as we kept getting RDMed, and not once did they report anyone, because we were all having fun)

I am +1 for a ban reduction to 'IRDM | RDM in sit' due to everything stated prior

[�از ا�س�طرة ع�� ج]

-1 for unban or ban reduction. It’s his 5th MRDM ban… it seems he’s trying to loophole the rules to get out of a MRDM ban but from the way i see it, he mass rdmed.

[Tene]

8 hours ago, ناز السيطرة على ج said:

-1 for unban or ban reduction. It’s his 5th MRDM ban… it seems he’s trying to loophole the rules to get out of a MRDM ban but from the way i see it, he mass rdmed.

please read the report rather than saying he has 5bans his bans are not recent, and please elaborate on how he’s trying to loophole the rules, and please explain your pov of how he mass rdm’d.

-malicious / partly me

[Kio]

People play the server to have fun, In my personal opinion certain staff ruin that fun completely. I agree with Tene and Ember. 

When i accept MassRDM sits I like to talk to that player before punishing them to see if he's just killing people for no reason or if there's a valid RP scenario with proper evidence backing it up (logs/Video/People backing him up) 

In my pass I would MassRDM'd alot and it wasn't to ruin peoples experience on the server it was quite the opposite, everyone involved found it funny/amusing and was cool with it (RP). 

Staff should always get to the bottom of any situation instead of looking at logs and running with what they see, I do not agree with staff that follow the rules to the peak and ban players over some stupidly small thing when they could of easily talked to that player and found out why he/she/monkey/they did it in the first place. 

We don't want to ruin people's fun on the server (RP), At the end of the day it's a video game and we're all playing to have fun, Some staff seem to forget this and take it way to seriously. 

 

With that being said Ima +1 for a ban reduction to IRDM I RDM in sit 

 

Whole reason why I wanted admin was to push this ^^^^^^^

Seems like I've been slacking.....

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Kio
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[Blue.]

Okay so let's assume we're doing a sit, they broke a rule and you know it.

 

-Is the rule broken a serious one?

-Does the victim care?

-Is the victim laughing about it or angry about it?

-Did the problem affect anyone else?

The point I'm trying to make with this is two-fold: If they RDM'd another player, but said RDM'd player didn't call a sit or care. Just Let It Go~ (Frozen). No point in administrating a situation that isn't a problem. Secondly: A player is intentionally breaking a rule in order to do a roleplay that has several members involved, but is not hurting anyone. It isn't a problem.

The gist of what I stated? If it promotes good role-play and no one complains/has a problem with it, then let it slide unless it has the potential to cause serious problems. Common sense.

(So you just became staff?)



After finding time to read all this shit and actually know everything heres what I can say: Ember you were an idiot for thinking it would be a good idea and be non problematic to just start hurtling balls at people off spawn, I don't care what the fun little situation was- where you did it was just NOT wise.

We have two sides to this coin it seems - those that think that because its ember he should have known better and doesn't deserve leniency - the other side - is that because its ember and he wasn't just "mass rdming like a random" and that no one actually cared minus succ and another person that he shouldnt have been punished for mass rdm.

I get both sides, We frequently let friends mass rdm friends all the time - however the way ember went about it was just bad. He could have waited to ensure people outside of the rp situation would not be hit, and he should have been more aware of who was being shot, either by glancing at names or at the voice chat box.

I don't think tene should be actively encouraging mass rdm - its one thing to give someone an sbc cannon its another to give them an sbc cannon and encourage them to go ham with it.  Streamer or not - doesn't matter we are here to prevent rule breaks. Now i cant say for what he actually told him im just going off of what tene said himself - maybe he mentioned to be careful of who he shoots and whoever reports him for it will get him in trouble - id hope so.

We had goatnuts banned and demoted for a similar reason - mind you the person goatnuts gave the sbc cannon actually did mass rdm - as to whether or not he had 3 reports I dont think that was the case.



I'm a firm believer in education over punishment, get info from both sides, and confirming in the case of someone claiming the mrdm wasn't really mrdm but people having fun with eachother.

However we have clearly had situations where some people have been treated with leniency and others have not. Some old some new players. Personally I dont care if you're old or new if you're shooting sbc balls off spawn you're gonna get some sort of smack. If people dont really care you might get a warn - but I do agree in this situation that ember should be punished in this situation.


I really don't like that succ tried to hunt someone down just to get his mass rdm ban justified, that just doesn't look good, isn't something practiced, and just looks like a grab at straws to be honest.

All in all I think both sides are being a little extreme in their views about this. I'm going to say that if no one really cared a reduction to 5 days would be better - I didn't pay to much to the original situation as ive been dealing with a lot the past couple days (just got out of the emergency room this morning) and kinda just talked the ban down to 2 weeks after going off of word of mouth.

My final verdict here is that ember was really dumb for this, but all this drama over this is also dumb as well. Whether its 5 days or 14 days the punishment is still given and to be honest 5 days is a decent amount of time- its just 2 shy of the base ban for mass rdm.


Im all for people having fun with eachother if they are SMART about it. Mass rdm your  heart out just dont kill actual people not involved. If you're just killing randoms I dont care if one person reports, you're doing it for you and having fun for yourself - not others.

This case seems to be a mixed bag of randoms and people involved. I think it should be handled better in the future by ember and if he does something so blatantly reckless then he should get banned for mass rdm. - and we should also be communicating with people when someone says no one cared during the sit not hours later and basically begging for a "yes" to justify a ban. Basic protocol here. 

For me its not so much the situation of sbcing these "monkey revolutionists" or whatever. but its the manner it was done in, I don't want to see it happening again. MRDM Smart.


+1 for a 5 day ban after thorough investigation.









 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Blue.