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[1-800-Suicide]

Your In-Game Name:

Piklas

Your Steam ID:

in profile

Who are you reporting?:

Blacnova STEAM_0:0:66142484

Why are you reporting this player?:

Not adverting pd raid and raiding the pd.

He says he did this because there was an event happening. There are 0 rules stating you can ignore adverting pd raid just because there is an event.
Blacnova claims it is not enforced. It has been enforced for the past 6+ years he has not been playing the server and people get told all the time to advert pd raid.

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

 

During the Kill the VIP, Defend the Vault, Golden Printer & Retrieve the Package events, there is no NLR if you are trying to attack/defend the Event

[Event] Defend The Bank has just started! The PD Bank is no longer on cooldown and all people except Civil Protection can raid it!

 

Only the following 2 actions are allowed without adverting PD raid: jail-breaking and hacking any of the PD panels (including the one in the Mayor's office)
^Notice how it does not say partaking in the defend the bank event^

 

This has been "discussed" so many times and every time a staff member says "well i dont enforce that" the same problem happens. If people can raid the pd bank without adverting the pd becomes a free for all KOS zone for cops regardless of the rules because anyone entering could be a pd raider. It also means that cops are not allowed to spawn any props in pd even if no one is raiding during the event because someone could be. No one wants that. Therefore a pd raider must advert once to announce they are pd raiding and after that they may break nlr as many times as they like during the event. 

Since Blacnova is using the classic new staff excuse of "well i never saw someone enforce that so it can't be against the rules" I am forced to ask the community to confirm this is a rule despite it being implicit within the other rules in the rules section.

 

If you have ever seen this be enforced i.e. a staff member telling someone to advert pd raid even if its an event or someone ever being brought to a sit over that you are involved in this and your witness testimonial of it being enforced is appreciated.


I am looking for a note of education being added on blacnova's profile to advert pd raid when he wants to do one.

Edit: Just to give 2 other examples of rules that have gone through phases of some staff just deciding to not enforce them into new staff saying "I never see people enforce that" being ccs micspamming/building in the streets

Edited February 11 by 1-800-Suicide

[Glorp]

The reason you are told it's not enforced is because it's not actually written down. It should be though, I see the reasoning you are coming from with this don't get me wrong, this is just another one of those rules that needs to be rewritten for its common use nowadays. -1

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1 hour ago, Chairman Chair the Chair said:

The reason you are told it's not enforced is because it's not actually written down. It should be though, I see the reasoning you are coming from with this don't get me wrong, this is just another one of those rules that needs to be rewritten for its common use nowadays. -1

This is what you are saying:
Rules say you must advert pd raid. Only 2 Exceptions
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Person did not advert pd raid and did not fall under either exception

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Well It's not written that he has to advert pd raid during the event (It is written that you have to advert and written which exceptions exist)

What the fuck makes you assume the event changes the written rules?
Will you be writing down the negative of all rules or else it cannot be enforced? "Well It doesn't say in the rules that I have to advert kingdom raid if i'm the master stalker"

[Glorp]

This is the same argument every time, maybe if previous staff logged this properly it wouldn't be an issue, but we are not on a witch hunt here.

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1 minute ago, Chairman Chair the Chair said:

This is the same argument every time, maybe if previous staff logged this properly it wouldn't be an issue, but we are not on a witch hunt here.

What needs to be written down? 
The rule is there and the exceptions are written. It has been enforced the same way for years. 

You must be a hobo or builder to build in the streets
"Well it's not written that i can ignore this when I name my cc The Builder" 

[LeGerbs]

There's nothing written stating you dont have to advert pd raid when an event is going, which means you default back to the rules stating adverting pd raid is required.  Piklas is right we've been enforcing this rule for over 6 years because it's our rules currently.

 

It's obvious that piklas isnt trying to get Blacnova in trouble and just wants the staff team to stay consistent. At this point you need to advert pd raid to raid pd in any manner. If you decide you want to override that rule you need to hold a vote and get it put into the motd.

 

People have been banned for MRDM for not adverting pd raid and killing a shitload of cops and players during the event. Allowing it to be reinterpreted into something different does a huge disservice to anyone thats been warned or banned due to this rule.

 

Do it right. Make a vote, decide on the verdict and update it clearly in the motd.

Edited February 11 by LeGerbs

[Blue.]

I mean, when you're right, you're right, you ARE supposed to advert one time (not every time) for the pd raid event, I can also confirm that this is a thing, though i can understand why blacnova wouldn't know. He may be an admin but he wasn't around for any of these discussions, and I would say its pretty understandable not to know. I only know myself because I've seen it discussed/mentioned myself.

1 hour ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

What the fuck makes you assume the event changes the written rules?

TBF events do change some rules, but they are also written down. Like I said I can understand why it wouldn't be known, but also a little digging could've answered the question tbh.



I will add this as a rule in the adverts section of the rules though to prevent further issues like this. 

Edited February 11 by Blue.

[LuckyJack]

I have had the same thought about this and just decide to advert during the VIP / Defend the vault events when I need to enter the PD. Since there is no explicit rule that defines events and the PD, It’s clearly left room for confusion and we should define that clearly.
 

Although confusion does not protect you from punishment, this is one of those issues that I think collaborating with each other to write this into the MOTD is the best approach rather than traditional punishment. 
 

There is always a rotating staff team that hasn’t inherited the tribal knowledge of the game. Apologies that staff has told you that “I haven’t seen it enforced so I don’t enforce it” this perpetuates picking and choosing rules, leading to more issues like this report. 

[Kert Kobean]

As the rules have been finally updated to better reflect how this situation should be handled moving forward, the report itself is pretty much moot. Like with a handful of things, the ultimate verdict on how this is handled was made behind closed doors and never formally announced (though one could argue it falls under "common sense"), that alone isn't really a point of contention when you consider that the rules astronomically change when an event is active. If we were strictly following what was written down, you'd have to advert every single time you tried to raid the PD (which nobody does or has done pretty much ever).

[1-800-Suicide]

On 2/12/2026 at 6:11 PM, Kert Kobean said:

If we were strictly following what was written down, you'd have to advert every single time you tried to raid the PD (which nobody does or has done pretty much ever).

Incorrect and that has also been hashed over many times. In the event someone coming back is not starting a new raid, but breaking nlr on the raid they already started. Otherwise the mayor could just respawn his dupe very time he killed the raider. Been the same for years.
The main issue here is that this rule has been the same for years and has been enforced the same for years, but then a new staff (in this case blacnova) comes in and tries to make up their own reason with the objectively shit excuse "i haven't seen it enforced". It is up to the staff to read the rules and enforce them, not make things up based on what they have seen punished or not. I am not asking for much to give blacnova a note of education on his profile. It is what would happen to any other player who made the same mistake. 

The rule change is pretty obviously just a clarification for people who do not read the rules. Does not make the report moot in any way.