On the abolishment of harassment/toxicity rules

[Quas]

I have decided to make this post after the increased amount of recent reports for harassment and toxicity, and one of them even getting a 1 month ban I believe. Personally, I dont see this as right, and I have reason to believe a lot of you agree with me. If you spend any time on the server at all, and you are a bit of a controversial fellow, you know how the cycle goes:

 

Player X who most likely lacks a father or God gets killed, arrested, etc. by Player Y -> Resentment and anger builds up in Player X -> Player X decides to do anything in their power to antagonize and instigate Player Y that isnt explicitly breaking rules -> Player Y gets pissed, proceeds to talk some trash, say some mean words -> Player X reports Player Y -> Player Y is banned.

 

Or, alternatively: Player X makes himself an easy target to Player Y because he lacks social skills, impulse control, or never had truly masculine friends -> Player Y is more gravitated to mess with Player X as a result -> Instead of muting Player Y, avoiding him, etc. Player X decides to allow Player Y to mess with him until he has enough evidence  -> Makes a report -> Player Y is banned

 

Needless to say, this is an issue, it really is. You can twist is however you want but besides a couple of differences, these are the 2 scenarios that someone will make harassment reports about. If you notice, in these 2 scenarios, it traces back to the "victims" fault, which is true 99% of times. This would beg the question: Maybe if we didnt have rules that appeal to the resentment and vengeful nature of these people, maybe players  would learn to not make themselves targets of this "Harassment". I guarantee you if we get rid of ANY rules against toxicity, harassment, targeting, etc. We wouldnt have any cases of harassment within 3 months, because when you make rules and allow people to have a way of thinking where if they dont like someone, they can simply bait them into harassing them and then just get them banned. I have had many people attempt to do this to me, so I know how it goes every time.

 

I start calling someone names, they start going "Stop now, seriously" which is basically just saying "Keep going so I can report you please" and I do stop so I dont get in trouble, and usually a little bit later I will get a PM from them saying "Thank you for stopping" Which is basically their hail mary to appeal to my pride and get me to start saying things again (reverse psychology). Its such a headache to deal with isnt it? I dont even say anything crazy or bad, I just call them a baby and say "Wah Wah" or something stupid like that, and they get pissy over it. This whole idea that "Harassment and toxic is bad" is based on the presumption that being mean is inherently bad, which its not, its amoral. It is the same with being nice, being nice isnt good or bad, its amoral. When I was a plumber I had a boss that was mean constantly and yelled at me constantly, but it was simply so I could get angry, and channel that anger into my job, something greater then me. If you ever worked a hard labor job in your life, and had a boss that was above the age of 30, you probably know EXACTLY what I am talking about. If you have had any form of true masculine comradery as a man growing up, you would be messed with and made fun all the time, its how we mess around with each other and have fun. Its not my fault that some cry baby cant taking reading 3 letters on a screen, or seeing a slur of some sort. They dont belong on the internet if thats the case. Notice how that was the golden age of gaming was when you were getting told "KYS" over a a text message because you were hardscoping on nuketown on BO2? Its no coincidence that the most fond memories of gaming was OBSCENELY toxic, the issue is when you blend femininity and toxicity is when things start going sideways, which is what we are seeing now. I would argue making a toxicity report on someone (even though you basically allowed the toxicity) is EXTREMELY toxic.

 

My solution? Literally get rid of the rules ENTIRELY. All of them. Targeting, harassment, toxicity, anything related to these. At least for 3 months, and lets see the difference between now, and 3 months later. I promise you the state of the server will be vastly better

 

The thing we all need to realize is that even if you dont like someone, they should still be allowed to play the server, even if they break the rules against you. If they dont have a negative impact on the general population of the server, and they get banned for something, then they make an appeal and seem apologetic, they should be unbanned. This is exactly why I dont like getting most players banned, yet I constantly challenge staff. We are all here to have a good time, and have fun, relax with the boys. Where is the fun in getting your enemies banned? Wouldnt be much fun if you dont have that one juggernaut outside your kidnap dupe that lays you out every time you try to kidnap someone (C*ntbucket, im looking at you). Just keep that in the back of your head, were all here to have a good time and a bitter nature mixed with the enshrinement of harassment and toxicity rules makes for a terrible time, which we already have seen.

[Tyz37]

How will that improve anything? It is their choice on being toxic or saying things they shouldn’t. Why would anyone want those removed. It will harm the community more. People will just target people till they quit, people will be super toxic in chat, and it will push tons of people away from the server. There is absolutey no reason to have all those rules removed.

[Quas]

Just now, Tyz37 said:

How will that improve anything? It is their choice on being toxic or saying things they shouldn’t. Why would anyone want those removed. It will harm the community more. People will just target people till they quit, people will be super toxic in chat, and it will push tons of people away from the server. There is absolutey no reason to have all those rules removed.

Read the post, instead of just the title.

[Tyz37]

I read the post hahaha

[Quas]

Just now, Tyz37 said:

I read the post hahaha

Then you didnt take into account anything I said, I established where I stand. Im not going to reiterate why it is a good thing (Which it is a good thing)  when its in the post

[Lewdtastic]

I've tried to understand this to the best of my ability, but the thought of getting rid of the rules for harassment, toxicity and player targeting doesn't really make a lick of sense.  Also the whole process of "They didn't have masculine friends" isn't necessarily the proper response to people who get bullied based off appearance or the way they sound stuff like that.  Lots of people don't tend to be very social and even when they do try to be social, they get casted out pretty quickly, my point here, is that removing those rules would not make the server better, in fact I can guarantee that within the first hour of those rules being removed, toxicity would increase to the point where the words "Kys" aren't a "joke" anymore.  Those rules are put in place so that people aren't bullying or harassing other players, which to this day is still a big issue.  I've witnessed a few players target others just because it was "funny" or "They are something I don't like"

 

[YoshE]

too long to read but i agree  +1

[Malicious]

2 minutes ago, YoshE said:

too long to read but i agree  +1

too long to read but i agree +1

[Tyz37]

Just saying that people liked the toxicity of CoD or that someone isnt masculine enough for it doesn’t justify it. If you just want to be bullied in the server just say that people can target you then. Don’t try to get a rule removed so you can get back at someone until they quit the server. -1 for the rules being removed.

[Quas]

2 minutes ago, Lewd said:

I've tried to understand this to the best of my ability, but the thought of getting rid of the rules for harassment, toxicity and player targeting doesn't really make a lick of sense.  Also the whole process of "They didn't have masculine friends" isn't necessarily the proper response to people who get bullied based off appearance or the way they sound stuff like that.  Lots of people don't tend to be very social and even when they do try to be social, they get casted out pretty quickly, my point here, is that removing those rules would not make the server better, in fact I can guarantee that within the first hour of those rules being removed, toxicity would increase to the point where the words "Kys" aren't a "joke" anymore.  Those rules are put in place so that people aren't bullying or harassing other players, which to this day is still a big issue.  I've witnessed a few players target others just because it was "funny" or "They are something I don't like"

 

This is flawed. I will not elaborate because its in the post