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How are you still holding a grudge after 2 years bro it’s literally a game

Don't forget the neutral leanings that are waiting for other staff to comment before they can form their "own" options.

Anybody read that post above fully who can give me a tldr?

this is like basically sixnuts playtime consistently he doesnt actually play lol

OG also has friends on the staff team. There is also a lot separated from their bans that constitutes differences in either keeping a perma ban perma or not. Given how recent Tene's ban was I'd actually agree with you that if he had as many friends on the staff team to +1 him to being accepted that's fully biased. I wouldn't have been okay with someone coming back that early from a perma ban. I will say however a big problem with looking into the pasts of some of these people is tricky as the bans page doesn't mention shit that would be needed. OG doesn't have his perma ban that Tass Unbanned him on back in 2019 so everything he did back before that is non-existent. And Tene's Exploiting ban isn't in his bans either. it's as if he never exploited at all and only has been toxic. A lot of the issue with even digging up a past on these guys relies on the player base coming with experiences of these guys. If the only people that use the forums are mingy toxic pieces of shit and staff members who sometimes plays with them then you're only going to get one side of an argument. Like people saying someone like OG has massive community support but everyone that has +1d his appeal (as in putting likes on it) are literally 7 people (excluding 3 legitimate possibilities of genuine support) who has personally been toxic to me personally and some of which literally were taking part in the initial targeting of me. A good example is Sixnut who literally since I have been commenting on shit has thumbs downed every thing I've said in an attempt to rep bomb me to Hell. Showing they just want another toxic player to play with. Not to mention like if I were to make any comments on Tene it wouldn't compare to what I personally had to deal with from OG. Am I biased to say the shit he put me through constitutes removal from community without a possibility of coming back? I'd say no, he's literally pushed me away from something I loved for over 2 years and I am now just starting to come back like I used to. The toxicity of Tene I don't know about because it wasn't directed at me so I can't tell you the extent of him, but I truly know the extent of OG from first hand experience. The part of this equation missing is Tene's victims coming forward to explain their side. At the end of this it's a lack of evidence and general lack of people coming forward to talk about what they did. I will say staff are generally lazy in looking for evidence against a players unban as it is easier to just say "Been a minute you're reformed +1" or a "I didn't like you -1" Give me an hour for a high profile case and I can get you forums posts, chat logs I might still have saved of personal interactions if they happened and use that as an argument. As an admin I did that and as a player I still do. I think I'm finally understanding a little bit of Kilo's argument in general laziness of staff members. It happened when I was admin as well as him, there's nothing you can do about it. Your argument will just hold more weight in the end than a shitty +1 or -1

I'd trade Tene for OG as well. No more Tene + OG gets himself banned in a month. Self cleaning mess.