Ban Appeal

[Zek]

Your Steam Name: Zek

Your ingame name: Zek

Your Steam Profile/SteamID: STEAM_0:1:66661657

Why were you banned?: Mass RDM

Why should you be unbanned?: I was using drugs (weed) at the fountain and after a while I got the explosive effect and therefor killed a lot of people . I don't understand why such effect exist if it's not intended to be used in RP . Consuming drugs is RP and getting the effect is part of the RP , why should an effect be consider RDM if it's an added part of the effects which is an explosion and explosion KILL people . Anyways either just remove the effect if you don't want other people to get in trouble for it , I was arguing with a tmod then he brought a mod and the mod didn't want to talk he was stuburn so he didn't accept my request to get a senior mod opinion and I got a 7 day ban . I just want a clear objective rule/opinion on this subject so I don't do it anymore but I think personally because of not such clear rule about it that it was in a RP situation .  

Evidence:  https://gyazo.com/343c6a30708250df6215bddf365cdee6

[1-800-Suicide]

Should be noted too that drugs can make you fire weapons randomly.

[NuBpC]

I was there briefly after F0xtrot requested for a higher up to help him. I left quickly once I saw Big Heart was there but from what I heard it was a mistake.

 

Although I know unintentional and intentional MRDM is 7 day ban, I am for his ban being shortened as he did know the explosion was a possibility, but I also think the explosion effect should be removed because if a player doesn't know what it can do it might cause a misunderstanding which can get them banned.

[Zek]

I was there briefly after F0xtrot requested for a higher up to help him. I left quickly once I saw Big Heart was there but from what I heard it was a mistake.

 

Although I know unintentional and intentional MRDM is 7 day ban, I am for his ban being shortened as he did know the explosion was a possibility, but I also think the explosion effect should be removed because if a player doesn't know what it can do it might cause a misunderstanding which can get them banned.

 

I'm actually pretty mad at how the sit went , the tmod who was hosting the sit was "laughing" the whole sit (as he said in chat) . He didn't know how to handle this situation so he called another staff which I understand , but the other staff didn't explain much on what I did wrong or didn't even tell me to not do it again . These staffs just wanted a quick ban without helping the community improve to not do the same error . I even asked for a higher up but like I said he was stubborn and didn't accept and banned me without letting me having an argument on why or how it's allowed or not . Staff applications should be way more strick than that ....

[{GN} Isaac]

Okay who is the tmod and who was the other mod 

 

If this story is true the staff did  horrible job with dealing with this sit I will talk with the smods and higer  Ups and get to the bottom of this

[Zek]

Okay who is the tmod and who was the other mod 

 

If this story is true the staff did  horrible job with dealing with this sit I will talk with the smods and higer  Ups and get to the bottom of this

 

F0xtrot (Tmod) Big heart(Mod)

[Umbak Klak]

The roleplay argument is invalid. There's an endless list of items someone could use that excuse for. I drop my C4, time it, and set it in fountain. Technically I'm roleplaying, but that doesnt mean its allowed.

 

If this was unintentional then further discussion will be needed, but if this was intentional you need to admit to it and we can go from there.

[Zek]

I was the moderator who came to assist F0xtrot with this sit.

 

You clearly knew in advance that consuming the weed would lead to the explosion. You even corrected me on some mis-conceptions I had regarding drug explosions when questioned in the sit. You did it for no other purpose than to kill all of the people present at the fountain. Your own appeal does not even state that this was unintentional.

 

This was blatant mass RDM, and the only thing you've said in your appeal was that it should be allowed because the method of MRDM was drug explosion.

 

In addition, we're not going to bring the entire staff team to the sit just because you request them. 2 staff members is more than enough for a single MRDMer.

 

How can you assume that you clearly knew what I was doing if you only "questioned" because I was the one giving answers because you were trying so hard to make the tmod ban me because you take too much pride in your own opinion to get other staff opinion , there is a reason why there is a rank above yours , intentional or unintentional  is what I was trying to debate because why would the explosion effect be added if you can't prove if someone did it intentionally or not.  ? My appeal isn't trying to allow it but it remove it because it's a really bad RP item to be used and there is a lot of loophole to be used again'st in a sit .

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The roleplay argument is invalid. There's an endless list of items someone could use that excuse for. I drop my C4, time it, and set it in fountain. Technically I'm roleplaying, but that doesnt mean its allowed.

 

If this was unintentional then further discussion will be needed, but if this was intentional you need to admit to it and we can go from there.

 

Using a C4 and using drugs isn't the same thing . A C4 is used to raid and kill people , Drugs are used to get random effects and having fun with it . Why do you think drugs are used for in RP lol ?

[Zek]

I was the moderator who came to assist F0xtrot with this sit.

 

You clearly knew in advance that consuming the weed would lead to the explosion. You even corrected me on some mis-conceptions I had regarding drug explosions when questioned in the sit. You did it for no other purpose than to kill all of the people present at the fountain. Your own appeal does not even state that this was unintentional.

 

This was blatant mass RDM, and the only thing you've said in your appeal was that it should be allowed because the method of MRDM was drug explosion.

 

In addition, we're not going to bring the entire staff team to the sit just because you request them. 2 staff members is more than enough for a single MRDMer.

 

How can you assume that I clearly knew what I was doing if you only "questioned" because I was the one giving answers because you were trying so hard to make the tmod ban me because you take too much pride in your own opinion to get other staff opinion , there is a reason why there is a rank above yours , intentional or unintentional  is what I was trying to debate because why would the explosion effect me added if you can't prove if someone did it intentionally or not.  ? My appeal isn't trying to allow it but it remove it because it's a really bad RP item to be used and there is a lot of loophole to be used again'st in a sit .

 

Hardly. I ask other staff for their opinions all the time, but it was completely unnecessary in this case. You knew in advance it would lead to the explosion effect occurring. You knew the exact number of drugs necessary, and the only type of drugs that would produce the effect.

 

There is no qualitative difference between what you did and if you shot off an SBC Cannon into that crowd of people.

 

If you want the effect removed, the place to do that is by making a Suggestion on the forums, not by performing a live demonstration of why the effect existing might be a bad idea.

Mostly this ban appeal is because I didn't have much of a argument to defend myself and again there is a difference between using a gun to kill people and using Drugs , again why would this effect be added if sugar really wanted it to kill only the user he wouldn't of made AOI damage to the effect . Taking too much drug can affect people around , like piklas said there is an effect that makes you shoot without your consent and it's totally RP . Tell me how I can reproduce an RP situation with drugs if it's not meant to harm people around us ?

 

For example if someone takes drugs and kills someone else because of gun fire that was done by the drug , would it be consider RDM ? People would say "he did it to kill him" Obviously you cannot simulate drugs in RP like in IRL . It's not RDM if drugs makes you not have awareness . People often use the "I'm a mass killer" argument to kill people but there is no items that allows such actions but drugs allows RP in a none consensual way . This is just a bad play on sugar's part .

[Walter the Assaulter]

You can use guns to intentionally kill people for no RP reason. You don't because RDM is against the rules.

You can use drugs to intentionally kill people for no RP reason. You don't because RDM is against the rules.

You can't make the argument "it was an RP tool" when you purposefully and intentionally used this explosive mechanic to kill a large amount of people for no reason. 

That is like saying a gun is an RP tool, sugar should remove it if he doesn't want people RDMing with it.

 

The fact that you think it was an acceptable action to do this shows that this ban time is necessary. Please stop and think about it. I will contact sugar and see what he thinks about removing the explosive effect.