Delta Absuing Voteban System

[ChefSoda]

26 minutes ago, xoxt said:

If we're going to punish Delta for calling votes whenever rule breaks are happening and staff aren't taking tickets, it's absurd from my point of view. He clearly exhausted all options to contact staff IN GAME and then used the vote-ban system after that.

-1 for punishment on Delta

He didn’t PM any staff, he didn’t request anything in OOC & ultimately the issue he was complaining about (having cover) was determined to have been allowed.
 

You’re obviously biased in this instance as you’re personal friends with Delta & there isn’t anything inherently wrong with that, but that fact is just clouding your judgment on the context. The only reason any of this occurred is because Delta was agitated that I killed him in a raid, which is expressly against the rules. 
 

Also is initiating a ban for a minor building mistake something that truly exemplifies “education over punishment”? As a former staff member Delta ought to be held to a higher standard.

Edited January 25 by ChefSoda

[1304]

No, we don’t hold prior staff to a higher standard—that’s not how it works. And if you’re abusing something, it doesn’t matter whether you lost or won; it’s still not allowed.

 

9 minutes ago, ChefSoda said:

He didn’t PM any staff, he didn’t request anything in OOC

how would you know what delta did or did not do 

 

9 minutes ago, ChefSoda said:

You’re obviously biased

Calling staff biased doesn't help you at all 

[Kert Kobean]

To me it honestly just comes down to severity as to when you should versus shouldn't be calling votes while staff are online. Things that would constitute that would be like someone cheating, mass rdming, doing something flatout illegal, etc.

 

But for something like failbasing? That's not an emergency, that's something you can grab a clip of then present it to staff once tickets have died down and they are able to reach you. 

 

Just operating purely off what is said in the MOTD, I'm +1 for a verbal warning.

 

However I think this also could call for a small adjustment in wording on when it is and is not appropriate to call a voteban.

[ChefSoda]

3 minutes ago, 1304 said:

No, we don’t hold prior staff to a higher standard—that’s not how it works. And if you’re abusing something, it doesn’t matter whether you lost or won; it’s still not allowed.

 

how would you know what delta did or did not do 

 

Calling staff biased doesn't help you at all 

I didn’t abuse anything, Delta said it in his own words & help me at all for what?

[ChefSoda]

Directly from Mr. Rubik in the Staff guidelines. Delta should not be given a verbal, but should be punished according to the guidelines. Obviously that decision lies entirely with upper management, but the leniency and charity being shown towards Delta in these comments is ridiculous. The guy has over a month of active time on the server. He should be able to face his consequences for obviously abusing the voteban system.

[Kert Kobean]

1 minute ago, ChefSoda said:

Directly from Mr. Rubik in the Staff guidelines. Delta should not be given a verbal, but should be punished according to the guidelines. Obviously that decision lies entirely with upper management, but the leniency and charity being shown towards Delta in these comments is ridiculous. The guy has over a month of active time on the server. He should be able to face his consequences for obviously abusing the voteban system.

I get where you're coming from, the primary reason I'm pushing for a verbal is because of how widespread this issue can be and primarily due to how inconsistent the enforcement is. People have been given verbals for this in the past so we have to operate off that precedent

[Miami mint vape]

52 minutes ago, Kert Kobean said:

To me it honestly just comes down to severity as to when you should versus shouldn't be calling votes while staff are online. Things that would constitute that would be like someone cheating, mass rdming, doing something flatout illegal, etc.

i don't you understand kert its not a problem of being something minor , its the fact no matter the sit i make it can be as simple as an rdm sit with a clip and logs to back it up the sit will not be taken even with 6 staff members online

[Blue.]

 

5 minutes ago, Deltarino said:

i don't you understand kert its not a problem of being something minor , its the fact no matter the sit i make it can be as simple as an rdm sit with a clip and logs to back it up the sit will not be taken even with 6 staff members online

This can be adressed, but still be sure to make sure from now on if you make a sit, and its not claimed, either make some more, ask in ooc, or pms, or even discord. Any option works as long as you make attempts to get the sit taken/addressed. Making a sit and waiting 2 minutes is not enough to warrant, even with the complication of some staff seemingly not taking your sit. This is a fair expectation and has been the gold standard. 

I will talk to staff about making sure your sits aren't intentionally ignored. There will still obviously be times where your sit isn't claimed right away, this is why you need to make more attempts.

 

1 hour ago, 1304 said:

how would you know what delta did or did not do 

Based on deltas own words?

" i waited a couple minutes after my sit was ignored to start the vote ban" "I made a sit on you and it wasn't taken so i called a vote ban for it to be resolved instead" "and i waited a couple minutes after my sit was created for me to create the vote ban." 


 

[ChefSoda]

11 minutes ago, Deltarino said:

i don't you understand kert its not a problem of being something minor , its the fact no matter the sit i make it can be as simple as an rdm sit with a clip and logs to back it up the sit will not be taken even with 6 staff members online

Dude. You made a bogus report on me in the forums for having a base with cover with 0 evidence and it was approved within 3 hours. You are treated more than fairly by the staff on this server. Against, thats a red herring, not a defense. Saying staff members are lazy ‘doesn’t help you at all’.

[Miami mint vape]

Just now, Blue. said:

This can be adressed, but still be sure to make sure from now on if you make a sit, and its not claimed, either make some more, ask in ooc, or pms, or even discord. Any option works as long as you make attempts to get the sit taken/addressed. Making a sit and waiting 2 minutes is not enough to warrant, even with the complication of some staff seemingly not taking your sit. This is a fair expectation and has been the gold standard.

that's understandable i just want my issue to also be addressed and i don't mind taking a verbal warning as a note so moving forward so i can follow you're gold standard to prevent further confusion and disarray.