JGPAPI BUYASED MRDM BANED

[Rubik]

The mod that banned you replied with logs that show you mass rdming with an SBC cannon. Are you saying those logs are false or are you saying that this situation was just banter between friends? This is definitely an issue if you're killing random people. I mean, someone reported you so I guess they weren't okay with it?

You guys who are not staff or directly involved in the situation are doing him a disservice by commenting on this appeal. It makes it much more difficult for us to keep track of the points that matter. Also the condescendence towards the staff member in this appeal is kinda lame. He's just doing what he's supported to. 

[1-800-Suicide]

53 minutes ago, Rubik said:

The mod that banned you replied with logs that show you mass rdming with an SBC cannon. Are you saying those logs are false or are you saying that this situation was just banter between friends? This is definitely an issue if you're killing random people. I mean, someone reported you so I guess they weren't okay with it?

You guys who are not staff or directly involved in the situation are doing him a disservice by commenting on this appeal. It makes it much more difficult for us to keep track of the points that matter. Also the condescendence towards the staff member in this appeal is kinda lame. He's just doing what he's supported to. 

1 person was rdmed by accident, the rest did not care about being killed. The following sit was completely mishandled, i tried asking if the guy lost anything so i could compensate him and at that point the mod was already typing in a ban after saying 0 words and "investigating" the kill logs for what i would guess was less than 20 seconds.

If the situation was handled correctly there would be dialogue about what the single rdm guy wanted to happen i would guess and it would be anywhere from a warn to a 3 day (punishment guidelines) but since the mod was ban hungry none of that played out.

Edited April 2, 2025 by 1-800-Suicide

[1-800-Suicide]

Proof that this has been the way staffing has been for YEARS. Only 1 person cared and made a sit. Coercing people into saying "yeah bro i cared actually" days after the ban happened is ridiculous. 

 

At most i should be banned for 1 day for crossfiring gritz

If the new policy is to ban people for mass rdm if only 1 person calls a sit then harold should be banned for AMRDM for trying to grenade me and the group BEFORE i shot at him

 

"Is this one of those staff policies that are turned on and off whether its convenient for staff ??"

Call me a fortune teller

 

Edited April 3, 2025 by 1-800-Suicide

[Red]

I've been banned for self-defense using explosives before back in 2018, so I'll share it as precedent for this.

 

IMO the root cause of all of this (including the other precedents Piklas posted) was mass RDM with SBC cannons (explosives). I'll note that in my case, I was a demolitionist whose arsenal only consists of explosives, and I was fighting back by dropping the tripmine looking things. Unfortunately this was at the entrance to a room with people in it since Doc McStubbins was hosting an event there, which led to a number of people killed.

Now, another thing being argued in this appeal is the lack of a sit for MRDM; in my case, the same thing happened. After I got killed and the explosives blew up, I was jailtp'd to outside the venue, and was banned in the span of 30 seconds. It's possible that that was the result of many sits being made in that short amount of time, but either way I was not given time to explain my side. Of course, since it was 2018 and zero logs/evidence was posted by either side, this can no longer be verified (unless someone has logs dating back that far? either way, it's really only to supplement this ban appeal, so not that big a deal).

 

My take, regardless of what happens in this appeal:

 

1.) You have to consciously choose and equip an SBC cannon, and just as easily could have chosen a normal gun for self-defense. In the future, just make it a rule that unless you have no other recourse, if you use an explosive weapon as self-defense and it harms more than the person you're defending against, that's on you, and if sits are made, you'll be punished.

 

2.) If staff observe anything/anyone breaking server rules (or appearing to), they can create their own sit and investigate on their own. It shouldn't take people sending 3+ sits or so to make anything happen. Even if "nobody cared", if players broke rules they still should get punished. That's not to say staff are obligated to do jack shit, it's just that they can. Maybe limit this authority to mods+ or smods+. Of course, they could be wrong, but nobody loses anything except maybe 3 minutes of their time. Highly doubt this would affect the server significantly, since A) staff can just choose to do nothing until sits are made, and B) staff need reasonable cause to start their own sit (massive, recurring SBC killfeed, for example), and false positives involving those rarely happen.

[1-800-Suicide]

1 hour ago, Red said:

I've been banned for self-defense using explosives before back in 2018, so I'll share it as precedent for this.

 

IMO the root cause of all of this (including the other precedents Piklas posted) was mass RDM with SBC cannons (explosives). I'll note that in my case, I was a demolitionist whose arsenal only consists of explosives, and I was fighting back by dropping the tripmine looking things. Unfortunately this was at the entrance to a room with people in it since Doc McStubbins was hosting an event there, which led to a number of people killed.

Now, another thing being argued in this appeal is the lack of a sit for MRDM; in my case, the same thing happened. After I got killed and the explosives blew up, I was jailtp'd to outside the venue, and was banned in the span of 30 seconds. It's possible that that was the result of many sits being made in that short amount of time, but either way I was not given time to explain my side. Of course, since it was 2018 and zero logs/evidence was posted by either side, this can no longer be verified (unless someone has logs dating back that far? either way, it's really only to supplement this ban appeal, so not that big a deal).

 

My take, regardless of what happens in this appeal:

 

1.) You have to consciously choose and equip an SBC cannon, and just as easily could have chosen a normal gun for self-defense. In the future, just make it a rule that unless you have no other recourse, if you use an explosive weapon as self-defense and it harms more than the person you're defending against, that's on you, and if sits are made, you'll be punished.

 

2.) If staff observe anything/anyone breaking server rules (or appearing to), they can create their own sit and investigate on their own. It shouldn't take people sending 3+ sits or so to make anything happen. Even if "nobody cared", if players broke rules they still should get punished. That's not to say staff are obligated to do jack shit, it's just that they can. Maybe limit this authority to mods+ or smods+. Of course, they could be wrong, but nobody loses anything except maybe 3 minutes of their time. Highly doubt this would affect the server significantly, since A) staff can just choose to do nothing until sits are made, and B) staff need reasonable cause to start their own sit (massive, recurring SBC killfeed, for example), and false positives involving those rarely happen.

"Even if "nobody cared", if players broke rules they still should get punished. That's not to say staff are obligated to do jack shit, it's just that they can."

Read this document please, specifically the 2nd segment (common sense)

 

 

 

It looks like your appeal in 2018 was denied mostly due to lack of evidence and the sit was mishandled by do nothing doc being notoriously biased for himself.

Here is a 3rd example of the common sense that if it isnt a sit they didnt care and it doesn't count.

 

[Tene]

off of precedent that i have been a part of and off of the video of the sit with jgpapi that i was shown (where jgpapi says a total of 4 words and does not ask piklas any questions) I am +1 for an unban as he has already been banned for a long duration of his ban.

If 1 player reports someone for mrdm, you as a staff should be asking them why they are killing people, not just going for a ban. You then judge your punishment/sit based off of the response. If someone is clearly massing tons of people, and u ask them why they are killing people, and they say ''cause im bored'', then sure ban them for mass, but here Piklas is saying (from what i can gather) that nobody he killed cared other than the 1 person reporting him and he shot his dumbass cannon in self defense, none of the other people cared except for the 1 guy who reported him, so it is 1 rdm as the other was self defence (from what i can gather, discord screenshot urls self-delete after 24h)

 

  anyways, asking a mrdmer why they are killing people is really easy and helps to avoid these issues in the future
 

On 4/1/2025 at 9:46 PM, 1-800-Suicide said:

2 out of 4 people you interviewed said they didn't care and one of them threw a grenade into the group before me which initiated me shooting as well (harold)

Cr0w has a history of just walking into  my sbc cannons then reporting for rdm. (I have clips of this)
I was not contacted about my side still btw (part of the moderation guidelines) where you could have learned all of this. 

edit: i will say its incredible you choose to self defend with an sbc cannon 2 bans in a row, i think if this happens a magical 3rd time i could care less about u being fully banned for mass if people are reporting you for it. use a diff gun.

Edited April 5, 2025 by Tene

[Chessmond]

Accepted.