Rethaw report

[Blue.]

On 12/7/2022 at 3:55 PM, 1-800-Suicide said:

I also want to say that I am seeing some hive mentality going on here about what i thought about the situation of the doors. I was raiding rethaw and i thought there was a problem of owning multiple bases which i now know isnt a rule anymore, etho obviously disagrees with who was the owner of the base. 

Its still a rule?  You may only base in one spot at a time.

[Tene]

On 12/8/2022 at 3:14 PM, Succ The Zucc said:

 

The way the base was taken from them shouldn't have even happened. And because there's no proof of when they started to actually "raid" you in what should have been their base anyways I'm not sure there should be a punishment to give them. If anything the Mod was wrong for forcing them out of the base. If they removed their dupe as they started to raid or when you were raiding them.

mod forced them out of their base -> blue also told them to remove their dupe.

they removed dupe on a base that was no longer there and began to raid it immediately, thus gaining an advantage as if the new base owner nigga had placed a dupe it's building during a raid. 10 seconds to place a dupe really isnt much, especially when @Rethawand @Smellyhaven't stated how they even entered the base in the first place. They dropped their dupe because they were asked to yes, but then also took advantage of the base no longer having any cover and both players inside not having enough time to put a dupe down without they themselves breaking rules, so they are directly breaking the rule which says that 'You cannot build/remove props to your advantage while being raided or in a situation that involves a clash between other players.'
 

Not sure where the rule is that states 'you are not allowed to claim ownership of a base if the base was previously owned by someone who swapped to a hobo' or similar wording..
If your issue with the report is that the staff members involved should have let them reclaim their base, that's not a rule issue, that's simply a decision that they made clear wasn't what they were going to do and felt that the base was no longer theirs. Staff members making the decision to say 'hey so this base isn't yours anymore' doesn't mean the player can then go and do as the staff member requested, to then go and break another rule using the excuse that 'the staff said so' when they quite clearly didnt. Blue told them to remove the dupe as it's no longer theirs, they removed it, that's fine. They then utilized the removal of the dupe to be at an advantage during the raid.

If these guys had waited for their raid to not be at an advantage BECAUSE the dupe was dropped and there was no cover there would be no issue, but they didn't. They dropped dupe and started a raid so that they could capitalise off of there being no protection for the people inside, which is directly gaining an advantage by removing props in a situation involving a clash between players. So yes, they broke the rules. 
Also rethaw's reply saying that they had plenty time to place a dupe is silly. 10 seconds to place a dupe and you're saying that wouldn't have interfered with your raid?
 

again please answer: what method did you use to enter the base? how did you get inside..

[Succ The Zucc]

So you're telling me that it was still a contested base in the process of them raiding it? (Nigga and Piklas)

 

Or did they (smelly and Rethaw) delete the base and raid it immediately afterwards?

 

There is no timeframe of when a player leaves a base they don't own to start a raid

 

There is also the point I made of it still being contested. So nothing should have been happening until the part of it still being contested got handled. No one stayed to make sure any part of the situation got handled correctly. 

 

If the players are in the wrong here then you can blame the staff for not over watching the process as this isn't something that is found anywhere for players. And you can blame them for raiding the base as soon as they deleted it because they were outside it's not their base they can raid it immediately. You as a staff member should allot a amount of time for the "new owners" of said base if that's the route you went.

 

The staff members involved are just as guilty as mishandling this whole situation as is the players if they are in the wrong. 

[cobaselic]

So Jordan switched to hobo and someone else bought the doors. You were asked to remove your dupe since someone else bought the doors. You refused to do so, making another staff member come and check it out. They also tell you to remove the dupe. You remove the dupe 6 minutes after you are originally told to and then immediately start raiding. You say they had plenty of time to put down a dupe, I'm not sure how that make sense. You 100% removed your dupe and then immediately raided, giving you an advantage. You can clearly see it in the video.

 

On 12/8/2022 at 10:14 AM, Succ The Zucc said:

My final point I'll say here is this. If there was an active sit going on regarding who owned the base and there was a raid going on then this should have ended YOUR RAID to start this because it looked like Nigga was raiding his own base.

This is a very weird stance. They were having to destroy the props that Rethaw had in order to get into the base, because even though Rethaw was asked to remove them he refused to until he was told by a higher up. They weren't raiding their own base, they were destroying the props that Rethaw refused to remove in order to get into their own base. Then, once they finally get in, Rethaw removes the base and kills them.

+1 for punishment

[Succ The Zucc]

5 hours ago, cobaselic said:

This is a very weird stance. They were having to destroy the props that Rethaw had in order to get into the base, because even though Rethaw was asked to remove them he refused to until he was told by a higher up. They weren't raiding their own base, they were destroying the props that Rethaw refused to remove in order to get into their own base. Then, once they finally get in, Rethaw removes the base and kills them.

+1 for punishment

Number 1. The base rightfully shouldn't have been given up in the first place because Smelly and Rethaw were in the right there. They had every right to wait for a higher staff for that call. 

 

Number 2. Nigga being a staff member could have just you know...used the remover tool that all staff have to at least get to the back of the base within that 6 minutes. 

 

Number 3. It was still contested. Meaning they waited for confirmation from a higher staff member before deleting it and nothing in the base should have been happening at that point. 

 

If anything this whole situation could have been avoided had the staff members involved handled it properly to begin with.

[cobaselic]

9 hours ago, Succ The Zucc said:

Number 1. The base rightfully shouldn't have been given up in the first place because Smelly and Rethaw were in the right there. They had every right to wait for a higher staff for that call. 

Jordan switched to hobo, meaning he lost that base. If he woulda crashed or something then I would agree with you. The doors were free to grab.

 

9 hours ago, Succ The Zucc said:

Number 2. Nigga being a staff member could have just you know...used the remover tool that all staff have to at least get to the back of the base within that 6 minutes. 

And then have Rethaw and Jordan report him for staff abuse? He asked Rethaw to remove the props, Rethaw refused. It took him 6 minutes to finally remove the props. Then, as soon as he removed them, he initiated a raid which gave him a clear advantage. I personally woulda kicked Rethaw when he refused to remove his props, but nigga gave him the chance. Instead of listening, it had to be brought to higher ups. Higher ups that said yeah this isn't your base anymore.

 

9 hours ago, Succ The Zucc said:

Number 3. It was still contested. Meaning they waited for confirmation from a higher staff member before deleting it and nothing in the base should have been happening at that point. 

It wasn't contested, Jordan switched to hobo making the doors up for grabs. They got salty and made an ordeal over it instead of taking the L and removing the props when they were asked to.

 

9 hours ago, Succ The Zucc said:

If anything this whole situation could have been avoided had the staff members involved handled it properly to begin with.

The only mishandling I've seen is that this report wasn't dealt with in game. But that's because Piklas tried to give Rethaw a chance to deal with it privately by giving the ents back, and when Rethaw refused Piklas made the report.

[Succ The Zucc]

So you mean to tell me that if they reported him for staff abuse it would have went somewhere?? It's moot if he was in the right. 

 

Then the matter of the base being contested. So you're telling me that a base not being in question isn't contested while they were waiting for a higher staff to show up?

 

Then going further. We've always handled it where if there is a mistake that the base goes back to them but if not they still get to remove the entities in the base if they want. Like their shit just isn't the new guy who claims it, it's still their shit surely. 

 

They should have been given the option to take their shit back out of the base at the minimum. This isn't even taking to account what sugar is trying to do for doors right now regarding shit like this in the future. 

 

I whole heartedly think that you're wrong here given the change Sugar is looking at. 

[cobaselic]

1 hour ago, Smelly said:

Salty, lol. There’s no salt here. I have a hobo keybind on my mouse, accidentally bumped it and was on my way back to the base when the doors were claimed.

 

Do better Cobaselic

Weird that you're just saying this now.

 

Also weird that at the beginning of the report you and Rethaw both were like "we removed the dupe like you asked and then raided", leaving out that it took 6 minutes for the dupe to actually be removed. It is very clear smh, Rethaw was told to remove the dupe and refused to for 6 minutes. Then when he did remove the dupe you guys immediately initiated a raid, giving you a clear advantage.

[cobaselic]

On 12/7/2022 at 6:43 AM, Rethaw said:

I removed my dupe, like nigga asked me to in OOC, and then proceeded with my raid afterwards

 

On 12/7/2022 at 9:07 AM, 1-800-Suicide said:

So what you're saying is either

a. you deleted your dupe about 7 minutes into someone raiding their own base (your props) to get an advantage in your raid

b. you deleted your dupe to get an advantage during a raid on your base

both options seem to me are against the previously posted rule.

^

[cobaselic]

Just now, Smelly said:

^

 

Blue said the base is theirs, so Rethaw removed his dupe 6 minutes after he was originally asked and immediately initiated a raid, giving him a clear advantage.