Special Educator Warn Appeal

[Special Educator]

In-Game Name

Special Educator

Your Steam ID

STEAM_0:0:80009642

Why were you banned or warned?

Using a delivery bike as a terrorist mid terror attack

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

I was in a sit a couple weeks back where I reported someone (I believe it was something like FBI guy was his name) who would continuously do the same thing. Ride around in a delivery scooter and kill people after jumping out. In that sit there was a staff member who checked with someone higher up who told them it was allowed. I can't recall who that staff member was so hopefully they see this and can confirm that, but that was still what I was told explicitly at the time, that this was allowed.

Cut to today and I was doing the same thing and I was warned for it, despite being explicitly told by that staff member that it was valid. If they were incorrect, then so be and I can easily just not do it again in the future, but for the warn I got from it it seems a but unfair due to me simply doing what a staff member said was allowed.

Who warned/banned you?

Kolanis

How long were you warned or banned for?

1 Warn

[Some Donkus]

As a terrorist, you could sit in that car and just wait to be allowed to kill everyone, and no one can touch you in the meantime, which seems borderline exploiting.

That being said, we seem to be having a kind of disconnect where some mods will say one thing is fine and another mod will say it is not. That is definitely something that needs to be resolved for the future, because it is definitely something I see coming up time and time again. I'm going to be neutral on this but I encourage higher up staff members to come to a consensus on things like this.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Some Donkus
clarification and wording

[�� It's Ya Boi Green ��]

I'm -1 for this. This has never been allowed and never will be. Its using it in an unintended way aka using it to avoid damage which is literally considered exploiting. In all honesty, it looks to me that you got off easy with a warn. I would just take the warn and use it as a learning experience to not do it again.

[The Horse]

fat -1 on this. its clearly an exploit to avoid damage since (correct me if I'm wrong) the jeep can be destroyed but I've never seen the scooter destroyed if you can get into trouble as king for doing this. no other job is immune.

also in my own personal experience. if you don't know if something is allowed. don't just ask 1 person. ask multiple. I've had Smods tell me thing were allowed and then a few weeks later other tell me its not. 

[Succ The Zucc]

Also -1

 

Hey I remember you. I also remember that today you had another instance of FailRP happen as well. Counting the fact that you've committed multiple FailRP actions in a day I'd have to say you got off pretty good with a warn and not a ban.

[WantedNearby]

Jeep and wheelchair are able to be blown up and lockpicked and battering rammed and u can damage the players at certain angles so I don't see how those are exploiting, but if the new delivery scooter is god mode someone should tell sugar to change it cause its kinda dumb to say using vehicles or only using 1 of the vehicles as terrorist is failrp which just means if you're a random noob on the server with no inventoried master swords or spiderman guns then you're not allowed to have mobility as a terrorist. 

[Coconut Overflow]

I believe that this is a perfect use of a verbal. Assuming that Special Educator had no knowledge of this (it isn't stated in our rules or guidelines). giving him a verbal will also solve the issue. Giving him a verbal and better updating our rules and guidelines, or heck, even updating the code and not allowing terrorists to use vehicles, would be in my opinion the best solution. I understand common sense, but a lot of our staff team isn't even aware of the correct ruling of this.
+1 for warn removal, and verbal being added.

[Guest]

This has been a gray area for a while, and we staff members each have a different opinion about this rule, i don't know who did it, i think it was @Tyz37(correct me if i am wrong) that told me that this was allowed since vehicles can be destroyed so i go with that, i would not keep spawning vehicles as they get destroyed though, if your vehicle gets destroyed once, though luck, you gotta go on foot now

 

I don't believe that this player has to have a warn on a rule that is very weird and not agreed by all staff members wether its allowed or not

+1 for warn removal and verbal being added 

 

the scooter is pretty much indestructible so theres no way people could deal with it unlike with the Jeep!!

Proof: https://medal.tv/es/games/garrys-mod/clips/Z23h3KmE2OzW_/pwI6q2Ytr4XG?invite=cr-MSxwMzksMTg0NTA5NDIs

 

NEUTRAL

Edited March 11, 2023 by Guest

[Tyz37]

-1 from me. Everyone by know knows or has known for at the least over a week that the scooter is indestructible (or at least almost indestructible i have not tested it personally). You should know that using something to avoid damage while in a situation such as terrorist terror attacking or kidnapper kidnapping then using something to go invincible is not allowed and considered exploiting. You have been a player for a very long time.

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, GoatNuts said:

i think it was @Tyz37(correct me if i am wrong) that told me that this was allowed since vehicles can be destroyed so i go with that, i would not keep spawning vehicles as they get destroyed though, if your vehicle gets destroyed once, though luck, you gotta go on foot now

As for this comment, the delivery scooter is indestructible or at the least has well over 3k health. Using a vehicle or entity to avoid damage to give yourself an advantage in combat would not be allowed. Only thing that could be considered ok to use in something like this would be the jeep because it is very clearly destructible and the delivery scooter is not.

Edited March 11, 2023 by Tyz37

[Tyz37]

9 hours ago, Coconut Overflow said:

Giving him a verbal and better updating our rules and guidelines, or heck, even updating the code and not allowing terrorists to use vehicles, would be in my opinion the best solution.

This is not at all what is being discussed. It is about the the delivery scooter being unable to be destroyed during a combat scenario. Vehicles are allowed to be used by terrorists as long as they are in no way indestructible/godmoded, exploited, etc.