Rethaw report

[LeGerbs]

4 hours ago, Tene said:

You quite clearly are breaking this rule as you are literally removing props TO YOUR ADVANTAGE in a situation that involves a clash between players. Yes, you were told to remove the props, but you removed them to take advantage of a situation involving a clash between players, which directly breaks that rule.
 

Well here's my issue with this. We haven't asked the question: How long did it take them to remove the dupe when they were asked to do it. If they were asked to do it and it took them minutes to react that's a problem but if it was removed at the time of being asked I could understand why they would think it's okay to raid.

 

This seems more of an issue of conflicting ideas between both parties rather than using rules to their advantage. I'd like to know more of how the situation actually played out before Piklas's clip. Then I will feel comfortable making a final judgement. 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Coach

[Opila Bird]

Its very obvious you waited to delete the dupe until you were outside the base (seeing as you attacked less than 10 seconds after) which is building/ deleting for advantage in a raid. If you deleted dupe, walked to the base, and then raided like a minute later then its a different story.

[1-800-Suicide]

6 hours ago, Tene said:

 

I am +1 for Rethaw to receive a dupe as he dropped his dupe and then took advantage of dropping his OWN dupe, as for Smelly i'll edit it after I've thought on if he should be punished or not as he did also take advantage of the dupe being removed in the clash.

Who is reporting smelly here? Don't think he did anything involving removal or placing of props

[Smelly]

1 hour ago, Coach said:

Well here's my issue with this. We haven't asked the question: How long did it take them to remove the dupe when they were asked to do it. If they were asked to do it and it took them minutes to react that's a problem but if it was removed at the time of being asked I could understand why they would think it's okay to raid.

 

This seems more of an issue of conflicting ideas between both parties rather than using rules to their advantage. I'd like to know more of how the situation actually played out before Piklas's clip. Then I will feel comfortable making a final judgement. 

So nigga asked us to remove it, we started going back and forth in ooc, then blue chimed in and said he was going to tp to us.  The only delay with us deleting the dupe was because blue was looking at the situation. Keep in mind that all of this shit storm unfolded in like 5 minutes.

 

ALL of this could have been resolved if nigga handled this like a moderator instead of handling it the way he did. I get that following the rules to a T in any situation that benefits you is tehehe haha funny and cool but if any rule was broken it could have been handled in a sit with either blue or nigga. Nigga didn’t pull us, and Piklas didn’t report us for a sit. 

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49 minutes ago, Smelly said:

 

 

ALL of this could have been resolved if nigga handled this like a moderator instead of handling it the way he did. I get that following the rules to a T in any situation that benefits you is tehehe haha funny and cool but if any rule was broken it could have been handled in a sit with either blue or nigga. Nigga didn’t pull us, and Piklas didn’t report us for a sit. 

I did make a sit after trying to resolve the situation without getting admins involved and etho(only staff on at that point) said he did not want to take it because of bias.

 

I also want to say that I am seeing some hive mentality going on here about what i thought about the situation of the doors. I was raiding rethaw and i thought there was a problem of owning multiple bases which i now know isnt a rule anymore, etho obviously disagrees with who was the owner of the base. 

 

Does any of this change the fact that removal of props for an advantage happened? The answer is no.

 

Also smelly is in this post trying to discredit following the rules, pretty suspect behaviour if you ask me.

[Rethaw]

4 hours ago, Coach said:

Well here's my issue with this. We haven't asked the question: How long did it take them to remove the dupe when they were asked to do it. If they were asked to do it and it took them minutes to react that's a problem but if it was removed at the time of being asked I could understand why they would think it's okay to raid.

 

This seems more of an issue of conflicting ideas between both parties rather than using rules to their advantage. I'd like to know more of how the situation actually played out before Piklas's clip. Then I will feel comfortable making a final judgement. 

They had asked us to remove the dupe and I was hesitating to because i thought that is not allowed since it was not sold on purpose and to see if they were breaking rules or not so I asked Blue in OOC if thats legal if they own  majority of the doors if they can or cannot takeover the base since it was literally our base seconds ago and our stuff was inside, so after i got confirmation from him saying yes they are allowed it is now their base, I deleted MY dupe. They could have easily placed theirs once they bought the doors but did not chose to. Once I got that word from him I then removed my dupe, then proceeded my raid with smelly. If there was a problem Nigga would have made a report on us then and there but did not. 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Rethaw

[Rethaw]

9 hours ago, Tene said:

dupe is removed at 1:19, first shot from you guys is at 1:29/1:30 and when piklas turns at 1:31 / 1:32 smelly is already over half way through the base, so its not even like you waited 10 seconds then went in.. it was legit less than 10 seconds, very clearly its you loopholing the rule 'You cannot build/remove props to your advantage while being raided or in a situation that involves a clash between other players. Ex: Stealing a printer, running to your base, deleting it and then placing the base back when you're inside.'
You quite clearly are breaking this rule as you are literally removing props TO YOUR ADVANTAGE in a situation that involves a clash between players. Yes, you were told to remove the props, but you removed them to take advantage of a situation involving a clash between players, which directly breaks that rule.

Also this whole 'technically it was piklas base but in the moment we actually broke the rule, we repeatedly said it was our base and it was our base' just makes it sound like you knew what you were doing was breaking the rules, but I can't really take that as fact.

 

 

I would have removed the dupe and waited until I was not at an advantageous position solely because I removed it as removing the dupe to take advantage in a clash IS breaking the rules.

I am +1 for Rethaw to receive a warn as he dropped his dupe and then took advantage of dropping his OWN dupe, as for Smelly i'll edit it after I've thought on if he should be punished or not as he did also take advantage of the dupe being removed in the clash.

This entire time they had bought the doors they could have easily placed their own dupe down but chose not to, and as for how fast they were killed what does it matter? The doors were owned by nigga and we were outside when the raid began so it was a completely legal raid. I didnt remove during our raid, their "raid" was over since they owned the base and my dupe was deleted. 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Rethaw

[Succ The Zucc]

Why are the 2 logs I care about not even listed here. 

 

I want to know when you changed jobs to hobo and when the guy bought the doors.

 

Even then just saying "Main owner changed to hobo I bought doors. My base now fuck off" isn't working for me. I've personally as a Mod or Admin for that matter never allowed that as sometimes the owner of said base doesn't think of it or know it unowns the doors and if they're the ones with the dupe it makes it harder.

 

If it was literally like them staking out the base and claimed it within seconds of you changing jobs I'ma be -1 on this. But I see dumb shit on both sides. Like Rethaw and Smelly could have been like "Oh their base then?...so it's a raid technically...*destroys all entities as they delete the dupe*"

 

Then you sit here and know they have a base, know they have a dupe down and still try to make the claim "I OWN DOORS ITS MY BASE BIG STINKY" the entire situation could have been avoided by not trying to find trouble and being petty.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Succ The Zucc
Changing my Neutral to a -1

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2 hours ago, Succ The Zucc said:

 

 

Then you sit here and know they have a base, know they have a dupe down and still try to make the claim "I OWN DOORS ITS MY BASE BIG STINKY" the entire situation could have been avoided by not trying to find trouble and being petty.

Dont think I ever said that, in fact I said the opposite. Is raiding someone trying to find trouble? 

 

Let me reiterate, me and etho are not the same person and I do not share every opinion or thought he has.

 

Let me also reiterate, I tried to avoid the situation without escalating but rethaw did not want to engage.

 

This is not a report regarding whos base it is. It is regarding deleting dupes to abuse and gain an unfair advantage. your take makes it look to me like you didn't even read the report.

[Succ The Zucc]

2 hours ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

This is not a report regarding whos base it is. It is regarding deleting dupes to abuse and gain an unfair advantage. your take makes it look to me like you didn't even read the report.

The issue is that in the end the base shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. The call that was made to force them out of the base entirely was a bad call.

 

I would say that by reading the comments regarding what happened was as follows

 

Smelly (main base owner) switches to hobo

 

(Forgets it unowned the doors when he does this)

 

Immediately afterwards someone owns the doors and claims it's theirs now and is asked to remove the dupe (This shouldn't have happened in the first place was what I was saying)

 

That's why I said it the way I did. I've been reading it I just feel like the whole situation could have and should have been avoided and I feel like it's mostly down to pettiness.

 

The way the base was taken from them shouldn't have even happened. And because there's no proof of when they started to actually "raid" you in what should have been their base anyways I'm not sure there should be a punishment to give them. If anything the Mod was wrong for forcing them out of the base. If they removed their dupe as they started to raid or when you were raiding them.

 

My final point I'll say here is this. If there was an active sit going on regarding who owned the base and there was a raid going on then this should have ended YOUR RAID to start this because it looked like Nigga was raiding his own base. From what I am seeing is that you're sitting here conducting your raid, then they get told to remove it they do then conduct their own raid on a base that's...already being raided...by the base owner???

 

Shit even nigga being a staff member could have just been like "Oh yeah remover tool" and remove the shit if this wasn't a raid on a already contested base that was part of a sit. -1 from me. 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Succ The Zucc