Rethaw report

[1-800-Suicide]

Your In-Game Name:

Piklas

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:61391449

Who are you reporting?:

Rethaw STEAM_0:1:105072049

Why are you reporting this player?:

I was raiding him and he first placed a dupe mid raid then proceeded to remove it to enter and kill me with his friend.
You cannot build/remove props to your advantage while being raided or in a situation that involves a clash between other players. Ex: Stealing a printer, running to your base, deleting it and then placing the base back when you're inside. I tried to resolve it in game without a sit or report because i didnt want to waste my own time but after he declined i felt forced to.

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

 

Evidence of me trying to resolve it ingame. (i asked him to give the 5 bitminers i would take in the raid and then posted the rule that he broke)

 

also this is literally 1 week from being unbanned  for something else for this guy...

[Rethaw]

This is a lie my friend Smelly owned the doors to red warehouse, our entire party was on the doors (sShocked,Bandit,Smelly, I) , and had a dupe down beforehand. He(smelly) switched to hobo job and then lost ownership of the doors and your party member Nigga bought them. I removed my dupe, like nigga asked me to in OOC, and then proceeded with my raid afterwards. 

[Smelly]

Hello I was there

 

41 minutes ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

I was raiding him and he first placed a dupe mid raid

No? Obviously have shadowplay or something, post the clip.

 

I accidentally switched to hobo while I was out of the base farming xp while you guys were raiding and nigga claimed the doors within seconds and said to remove the dupe to his base even though we were clearly basing in there with our ents. The doors were accidentally sold and you guys were doing it to just be minges instead of raiding because you had gotten ran through before this so you got super salty.

 

Regardless of you guys being minges, nigga said to remove the dupe so we removed it. You guys weren't fast enough to put down a dupe in your newly owned base, that's your fault.

 

 

Also nigga is a mod? Could have easily handled this in a sit then and there, we were never pulled for a sit because no rules were broken.

 

You both wanted the dupe gone, so we removed it.

[1-800-Suicide]

2 hours ago, Rethaw said:

This is a lie my friend Smelly owned the doors to red warehouse, our entire party was on the doors (sShocked,Bandit,Smelly, I) , and had a dupe down beforehand. He(smelly) switched to hobo job and then lost ownership of the doors and your party member Nigga bought them. I removed my dupe, like nigga asked me to in OOC, and then proceeded with my raid afterwards. 

So what you're saying is either

a. you deleted your dupe about 7 minutes into someone raiding their own base (your props) to get an advantage in your raid

b. you deleted your dupe to get an advantage during a raid on your base

both options seem to me are against the previously posted rule.

 

Conveniently leaves dupe down mid raid to make getting in slower then removes that dupe 7 minutes after being asked to remove it and conveniently thats when you walk in with 3 people to begin a raid because you were being so very compliant and wholesome, surely not to abuse props mid raid and walk in.

 

I also wasnt aware about the base ownership discussion that was happening at the time only that i thought there was a situation about multiple bases (which is apparently allowed now)

 

Conveniently leaves out this chat message from the logs u are cherry picking

If you and your entire party were on different doors and basing there why would you be saying this in all chat?

At this point i would like to point out Rethaw has previous bans and i believe warnings which include "lying in a sit". 

"not your base" ----> after the fact: "no bro it was your base all along actually me and my friends were based somewhere else"

 

 

Could he have? or was the dupe that was left up for 7 minutes (while me and the guy were breaking into the base) before being removed in the way of any dupes being placed. And if he did place his dupe after you removed yours I sure wonder what would be said about placing dupes in raids...

 

 

Every time recently that someone disconnects or something else and their doors are claimed I have seen admins restore ownership rather than removing the dupe and base ownership for someone but I am not 100% sure of how those situations are supposed to be handled (probably depends on the staff member). In either case there my opinion is that there is clear malicious wrongdoing on Rethaws part no matter how you slice it and I hope this further evidence will stop the attempts at rewriting history

 

To be clear I think its very obvious with the video and what Rethaw was saying at the time that I was raiding his base and dupe but when he saw the opportunity to attempt some loophole he took it.

Edited December 7, 2022 by 1-800-Suicide

[Smelly]

28 minutes ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

So what you're saying is either

a. you deleted your dupe about 7 minutes into someone raiding their own base (your props) to get an advantage in your raid

b. you deleted your dupe to get an advantage during a raid on your base

both options seem to me are against the previously posted rule.

 

Conveniently leaves dupe down mid raid to make getting in slower then removes that dupe 7 minutes after being asked to remove it and conveniently thats when you walk in with 3 people to begin a raid because you were being so very compliant and wholesome, surely not to abuse props mid raid and walk in.

 

I also wasnt aware about the base ownership discussion that was happening at the time only that i thought there was a situation about multiple bases (which is apparently allowed now)

 

Conveniently leaves out this chat message from the logs u are cherry picking

If you and your entire party were on different doors and basing there why would you be saying this in all chat?

At this point i would like to point out Rethaw has previous bans and i believe warnings which include "lying in a sit". 

"not your base" ----> after the fact: "no bro it was your base all along actually me and my friends were based somewhere else"

 

 

Could he have? or was the dupe that was left up for 7 minutes (while me and the guy were breaking into the base) before being removed in the way of any dupes being placed. And if he did place his dupe after you removed yours I sure wonder what would be said about placing dupes in raids...

 

 

Every time recently that someone disconnects or something else and their doors are claimed I have seen admins restore ownership rather than removing the dupe and base ownership for someone but I am not 100% sure of how those situations are supposed to be handled (probably depends on the staff member). In either case there my opinion is that there is clear malicious wrongdoing on Rethaws part no matter how you slice it and I hope this further evidence will stop the attempts at rewriting history

or c. getting minged by nigga and yourself and deleting the dupe as asked once confirmed we wouldn't be getting the base back.

 

The delay of the dupe being removed was because Blue came to the base to confirm whether we still owned the base or if it was going to considered yours...

 

You were very aware of the base ownership discussion. It happened in OOC and you even replied to it during the conversation. You and nigga both did. nigga is a staff member and could have restored our doors but chose to own them and tell us to remove a dupe from our base that he tried claiming.

 

Technically speaking (based off the actual rules) it was your guys' base, but figuratively speaking, it was our base which is exactly what Rethaw was saying and what we talked about in our party chat. It was our base, with our ents, and our dupe. The only thing that belonged to you guys was the doors by sheer accident.

 

You have a super funny way of trying to string together random shit to get people in trouble. You're pointing the finger at the wrong people, nigga claimed the doors and wanted the dupe removed.

 

The reason you won't post the clip of him allegedly pasting the dupe during the raid is the same reason you won't post the clip of us talking in OOC about the ownership of the base, it'll unravel your string of lies you're spewing right here

 

Tell the whole story from the beginning and stop withholding/distancing yourself from the facts of how shitty you are to have on the server every time you join lol

Edited December 7, 2022 by Smelly

[zZzO G]

not choosing sides but it clearly states in the rules that either way you weren't supposed to remove the dupe and go in to kill nigga or piklas at the time. "You cannot build/remove props to your advantage while being raided OR in a situation that involves a clash between other players". "A situation that involves a clash between other players". What happened after you removed your dupe? You got involved with the players who were held behind the dupe, giving you an unfair advantage.

[zZzO G]

6 minutes ago, Smelly said:

A mod told him to remove the dupe so he removed the dupe. Complied with what the mod asked of us. They are the ones that asked for it to be removed, we didn’t just remove it. This is also exactly what Piklas said in his original post, useless comment

ok yes, a mod told him to REMOVE the dupe. It is your CHOICE from up there whether or not to go in and kill the players. You guys CHOSE to break the rule. You used to be staff, you should know better. Just because a mod told you guys to remove the dupe it doesn't prompt you guys to go in a kill them, it is against the rules whether the mod told you or didn't tell you to remove the dupe. If I was on your shoes I would've been warned or banned for "loop holing" 

Edited December 7, 2022 by OG BOT Dumbass

[zZzO G]

1 minute ago, Smelly said:

Loopholing what? No matter what, we were going to raid it lol. Our choice from the beginning was protecting our base but the door situation changed everything.

 

What rule are we reporting here? That we can’t remove a dupe during a raid? Well we were told to by a moderator. How are you gonna report someone for something a mod asked of us 

I don't recall the mod asking you guys to go in and kill them. This whole report wouldn't have been if it wasn't for you guys going in to kill them. The mod simply told you guys to remove the dupe, nothing else. You guys on the other hand, after removing the dupe, chose to run in and kill them. This is the unfair advantage you gain which is a written rule "You cannot build/remove props to your advantage while being raided OR in a situation that involves a clash between other players". 

Loop holing I'm saying because your whole stance is "oh a mod told me to....." you're working your way around to what the mod stated which was to remove the dupe, and make it sound like you guys only went in because the mod "told you guys to do it" even though he only stated for the dupe to be removed. You're basically saying the mod allowed you to break the rule....

[Tene]

13 hours ago, Rethaw said:

He(smelly) switched to hobo job and then lost ownership of the doors and your party member Nigga bought them. I removed my dupe, like nigga asked me to in OOC, and then proceeded with my raid afterwards. 

dupe is removed at 1:19, first shot from you guys is at 1:29/1:30 and when piklas turns at 1:31 / 1:32 smelly is already over half way through the base, so its not even like you waited 10 seconds then went in.. it was legit less than 10 seconds, very clearly its you loopholing the rule 'You cannot build/remove props to your advantage while being raided or in a situation that involves a clash between other players. Ex: Stealing a printer, running to your base, deleting it and then placing the base back when you're inside.'
You quite clearly are breaking this rule as you are literally removing props TO YOUR ADVANTAGE in a situation that involves a clash between players. Yes, you were told to remove the props, but you removed them to take advantage of a situation involving a clash between players, which directly breaks that rule.

Also this whole 'technically it was piklas base but in the moment we actually broke the rule, we repeatedly said it was our base and it was our base' just makes it sound like you knew what you were doing was breaking the rules, but I can't really take that as fact.

 

 

8 hours ago, Smelly said:

So can I ask what you’d have done in this situation if you had been working on getting ents all day? Would you have removed the dupe, not gone in and let someone take your ents without any resistance?

I would have removed the dupe and waited until I was not at an advantageous position solely because I removed it as removing the dupe to take advantage in a clash IS breaking the rules.

I am +1 for Rethaw to receive a warn as he dropped his dupe and then took advantage of dropping his OWN dupe, as for Smelly i'll edit it after I've thought on if he should be punished or not as he did also take advantage of the dupe being removed in the clash.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Tene

[Tene]

10 minutes ago, Smelly said:

Can you define further “not at an advantageous position”? I figured the dupe being removed would be warning enough, Piklas obviously knew we were going to come in because he turned around and started cycling through guns. It’s not like it was removed and they didn’t have time to react. I just want to know what is considered not being at an advantageous position if this ever happens again

It was removed and they were given 10 seconds to put a dupe down and defend the base, also when the main benefit of removing your dupe is to make the raid a ton easier, it seems like that should be considered as an advantageous position, since you are literally benefitting off of undoing the dupe. May I ask what method you used to enter the base after the dupe was dropped out of curiosity

For it not to be at an advantageous position, you shouldn't be receiving any benefits from removing your props/dupe, aka: they have no cover and you don't have to travel through the base (yes even when its partially destroyed) because you removed the dupe, so now you get an advantage as you can walk in and they have no defense since the dupe had just been removed and they were given ~10 seconds to place a dupe. If you had removed the dupe and then waited to not raid in a way where your removal of the dupe was a major advantage, it would've been fine. 

If you're asking me specifically what I would have done, I would have waited for their dupe to be up to initiate a raid so I know 100% im gaining 0 advantages off of my dupe being deleted.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Tene