false cheating ban

[Hammy]

1 hour ago, F___ said:

I had been provided the video that you posted here. I watched about 30-40 minutes of the video at different times throughout it.

 

While watching it I noticed that your aim would go from being average to very unnatural like, especially when you'd aim down sights, you'd go from missing multiple shots around the person to being able to aim straight at them and rotate around them. While yes someone who is versed in FPS games can get accuracy like this it isn't normally inconsistent as you are in this video. 

 

There is also moments in this when you're not in RDM zone and bhopping around. There's moments where you try to bhop and miss the first or second jump then all of a sudden you're abled to hit 12-13 jumps with perfect timing and even crouching while doing it, this is inconsistent and doesn't match up, just being able to do perfect bhops while before you were unable. 

 

While for a normal player we could give them the benefit of the doubt for it and assume they are legit in your case I assumed the opposite because of your history. You have admitted to cheating on the server and have another anti-cheat ban. You have a VAC ban on your steam profile and a large amount of comments on your profile from players accusing you of cheating. You have cheated on the TitsRP Minecraft and & Rust server before when they existed. Why would I look at this video with the unnatural gameplay and assume you have changed for the better when you have a extensive history of cheating in the past?

 

And for the other staff, as for why I didn't bring it up for discussion with the other staff? To be completely honest I couldn't trust the ones who are friends with Hammy to not be biased and to defend him from not being banned for something that looks fairly obvious to me, such as they are doing in this post. 

 

-1 

The aim is completely natural, it's normal to shake like that under pressure. Sometimes I'll use all my focus and can hit a lot of shots, then need a moment to reset. Even when I'm hitting shots you can see there is no type of lock, analyze it in .25x speed if you have to and you can very clearly see that. Specifically when the enemy counter strafes you can see I need time to react and wont always make the right micro correction to line the shot back up. That's normal. 

 

Anyone can do these bhops, its really not something special. Especially with my pressure sensitive keyboard, it makes it a heck of a lot easier. Take a look at Aprils ban appeal below, you can see a video posted proving that you can get big bhop chains like this. Even then I failed a lot of them, including at the end of the 13 hop chain. Then I ran the same route a couple more times and failed even earlier. Every time I land and strafe to the left or right is a failed bhop, I'm still strafing to gain speed and dont expect to be grounded.

 

So is this what goes as evidence nowadays? Hearsay? People commenting on my steam did that without watching my pov, they are on the other side of the counter strike server. It's just accusations with no real grounds. Despite the reports and accusations they give me, I am still not banned even 5 years after the first report. And that thing about me cheating in Minecraft and Rust is completely made up, maybe you're thinking of someone else but I never did those things. I understand if the history is hard to look past, but I'm providing all the proof I can to show that it's not who I am anymore

 

A big issue with that is you discussed it mostly with the accusers and his friends, so I could argue there is a bias on that end. And perhaps it swayed your opinion having most of the people in vc out to get me

 

 

[Chessmond]

2 hours ago, F___ said:

To be completely honest I couldn't trust the ones who are friends with Hammy to not be biased and to defend him from not being banned for something that looks fairly obvious to me, such as they are doing in this post. 

So you were worried about people disagreeing with your ban so you didn’t talk about it in staff chat?  Because the only thing people are doing in this post is pointing out how you are obviously wrong.

[Zesty]

3 hours ago, F___ said:

There is also moments in this when you're not in RDM zone and bhopping around. There's moments where you try to bhop and miss the first or second jump then all of a sudden you're abled to hit 12-13 jumps with perfect timing and even crouching while doing it, this is inconsistent and doesn't match up, just being able to do perfect bhops while before you were unable. 

This is just silly. Bhopping is something you need a moment to get proper timing down and then once you get it you can just go forever. It took me a minute of trying to get a 20+ bhop chain with spacebar only, and considering Hammy is someone who plays a lot of gmod and other source engine games (cs2) which have bhopping as a mechanic, it makes complete sense for him to be able to bhop consistently.

 

The server is 16 tick, bhopping is not difficult. 

 

3 hours ago, F___ said:

While for a normal player we could give them the benefit of the doubt for it and assume they are legit in your case I assumed the opposite because of your history. You have admitted to cheating on the server and have another anti-cheat ban. You have a VAC ban on your steam profile and a large amount of comments on your profile from players accusing you of cheating. You have cheated on the TitsRP Minecraft and & Rust server before when they existed. Why would I look at this video with the unnatural gameplay and assume you have changed for the better when you have a extensive history of cheating in the past?

You can't just go off the assumption he's cheating on simple suspicion without proper evidence just because they did it before. That's not how our punishments work and is just clear bias. 

 

I am +1 for an unban until actual evidence is proposed that isn't just "This looks a little suspicious and he has a history of it"

 

7 hours ago, Tene said:

the admin team was never involved. the discussion took place in a seperate discord to titsrp with from what i can tell several non-staff members, a mod, and a smod, and from what ive been told the smod said there was not concrete enough evidence and f___ banned anyways. it is very insane the lack of any discussion at all in staff chats. 

[Randy]

6 hours ago, F___ said:

I had been provided the video that you posted here. I watched about 30-40 minutes of the video at different times throughout it.

 

While watching it I noticed that your aim would go from being average to very unnatural like, especially when you'd aim down sights, you'd go from missing multiple shots around the person to being able to aim straight at them and rotate around them. While yes someone who is versed in FPS games can get accuracy like this it isn't normally inconsistent as you are in this video. 

 

There is also moments in this when you're not in RDM zone and bhopping around. There's moments where you try to bhop and miss the first or second jump then all of a sudden you're abled to hit 12-13 jumps with perfect timing and even crouching while doing it, this is inconsistent and doesn't match up, just being able to do perfect bhops while before you were unable. 

 

While for a normal player we could give them the benefit of the doubt for it and assume they are legit in your case I assumed the opposite because of your history. You have admitted to cheating on the server and have another anti-cheat ban. You have a VAC ban on your steam profile and a large amount of comments on your profile from players accusing you of cheating. You have cheated on the TitsRP Minecraft and & Rust server before when they existed. Why would I look at this video with the unnatural gameplay and assume you have changed for the better when you have a extensive history of cheating in the past?

 

And for the other staff, as for why I didn't bring it up for discussion with the other staff? To be completely honest I couldn't trust the ones who are friends with Hammy to not be biased and to defend him from not being banned for something that looks fairly obvious to me, such as they are doing in this post. 

 

-1 

I have watched the provided video/clip. There are a few suspicious moments as others have pointed out, but no hard evidence of any form of cheating. You do have a history of cheating, but this video/clip does not have much of any evidence of cheating that is banworthy that I have noticed. In the comments that F___ has provided there seems to be some bias towards Hammy.

 

+1 for an unban unless hard evidence is shown that Hammy is cheating, that is not commenting their history or suspicious movements.

Edited June 17, 2025 by Grelof

[Tene]

5 hours ago, F___ said:

I had been provided the video that you posted here. I watched about 30-40 minutes of the video at different times throughout it.

 

While watching it I noticed that your aim would go from being average to very unnatural like, especially when you'd aim down sights, you'd go from missing multiple shots around the person to being able to aim straight at them and rotate around them. While yes someone who is versed in FPS games can get accuracy like this it isn't normally inconsistent as you are in this video. 

Can you provide timestamps of what made you certain he was cheating to ban him?

 

 

5 hours ago, F___ said:

There is also moments in this when you're not in RDM zone and bhopping around. There's moments where you try to bhop and miss the first or second jump then all of a sudden you're abled to hit 12-13 jumps with perfect timing and even crouching while doing it, this is inconsistent and doesn't match up, just being able to do perfect bhops while before you were unable. 

yeah thats just how you re-learn timings for your next bhop chain.. idk man i do the exact same thing almost daily when i play and as others have pointed out crouch bhopping is not as impossible as people are making it out to sound, it is incredibly easy. if players fail their first few bhops then get a 12 bhop streak (!!! wow) then it means theyre scripting i suppose.

 

 

5 hours ago, F___ said:

And for the other staff, as for why I didn't bring it up for discussion with the other staff? To be completely honest I couldn't trust the ones who are friends with Hammy to not be biased and to defend him from not being banned for something that looks fairly obvious to me, such as they are doing in this post. 

My last DM with Hammy is from 2023 and if there was proof of him cheating I would request for a perma ban (As this ban should be as per the punishment guidelines, but you failed to ban him for the correct length). I am glad you think that the staff team would be too biased to even have a discussion with so you single handedly went ahead with the ban despite the smod in voice call with you telling you the evidence isn't concrete enough. Your friend who is not biased for Hammy told you it's not enough and you proceeded to ban. 

The people I'm going to assume F___ will claim are biased are: Me, Chesmond, Terry, maybe Annex because he calls out F___. That is a total of 4 in the smod/admin team that in his mind are biased as they are defending Hammy. This then leaves: Rubik, Rivtuu, Blue, Joey Skylynx, Sleepy Tomoko, Malicious, Henchy, all up for discussion, and yet only Malicious was communicated with, and Malicious said it was not enough evidence.

Banning as a sole person when the evidence is 'suspicious' and not having a discussion with others because they will be biased is braindead when you know there are several in the team that have not interacted with Hammy that can give you a literal fresh POV/input, once again, especially when the person you are trusting not to be biased for Hammy is literally telling you that there is not enough evidence! If the evidence was enough then it would have been posted into smod chat as there are more than enough people to outvote/outnumber the 'biased' individuals that he is afraid of having an input. If anything to me this shows even more bias that it was handled in a private discord with a group of friends / individuals who played and lost against Hammy in RDM Zone, and that despite being outnumbered he still didn't want any input from people who would challenge him on how valid the ban is, so he did it by himself following the input of non-staff and a mod (again, the smod said there wasnt enough).

I am glad F___ trusts me enough to dm me about demoting my friends I talk with very regularly but does not trust me enough to discuss a hacking ban on someone I haven't msged for 2 years, it's almost like maybe he didn't leave me out because he didn't trust me but because he knew he had a lack of any credible proof and I would disagree with him on it (as can be seen by him choosing not to reply to the post when it was first made and then still not providing any specific areas out of the 60 minute clip that he can show have cheats).

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The punishment guidelines for Cheating bans:
All bans under this category, with the exception of Quad0 bans, require evidence which proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the player is cheating. Evidence should be reviewed by multiple staff members before issuing the ban when possible. 

A second ban under this category, or a history of similar offenses will result in a permanent ban.

F___ under the punishment guidelines has failed to:
Provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the player is cheating (it is suspicion, not 100%)
Review the evidence with multiple staff members (The SMOD said it was not enough evidence yet he still proceeded, he has also said in admin chat and in this post that his decision was swayed by no one and it was independent)
Ban a repeat offender for cheating permanently (Hammy has a past ban for hacking and a past ban for lua injection, this ban should be permanent but F___ did not make it permanent I again assume because he knows there is not enough evidence, if he was fully confident that Hammy was cheating this ban should have been a perma)

F___ has quite literally failed to meet every single step of the punishment guidelines.

[Guest]

This whole ban feels rushed and should be handled better.

 

The evidence that was gathered should have been discussed with the decision-making staff members on this topic first before being published publicly in the forums.

 

After even reviewing the evidence myself, it looks more like normal gameplay with some suspicious moments, but that doesn't make a final verdict on this subject; this should be collectively discussed in a Smod+ environment first then here.

 

1+ for unban

 

because it's lacking credible evidence and it's rushed.

 

 

[DaniMagik]

I do not think there is enough evidence to prove that Hammy was cheating.  Furthermore I feel like this shows that F might have some bias against Hammy.
+1 for unban

Edited June 18, 2025 by DannyMagik

[Blue.]

So I have not watched every second of this hour long clip, but I have skimmed through some of it as well as watching all the timstamps mentioned so far. I can agree the jittery-ness is strange, but I also know when I've got adrenaline pumping during a fight my hand gets a little shaky - I also have terrible aim though so I can't attest on how true swave's claims of never seeing good players shake like that are. I can also agree that being accused of cheating in other games is suspect but it still isn't concrete evidence.

I am annoyed at the fact that this ban wasn't brought to the upper staff time like it should have been though. That is exactly what got me demoted from admin in '23, and I had hoped others would have learned from my mistake. I know you said you felt you couldn't trust some of the staff to not be biased, but that still doesn't change the fact that this should've been brought to our attention. You always have to do the right thing and go through the right processes. Always. My demotion was a good example of why you must always do it. The only time these things shouldn't be discussed with the team are when they contain highly personal/sensitive information or something along those lines....not a cheating ban man. Cmon :[ I do have to say that by you not coming to us about it - that is for sure not okay. I can't agree with that. I don't want to see you demoted like I was, but I do think it warrants a strike. I was demoted because that was my 2nd run, and I was not able to defend myself during the meeting VC due to work. This is your first run and as far as i know your first big screw up.

If you had given the time to talk to us, you wouldve had responses not just from people who are friends with hammy. I like hammy, hes a cool dude - I don't play with him or anything or talk to him though. I agree that a LOT of what im seeing is just not 100% verifiable. Unless someone here has the legit statistics on the ability to bhop in titsrp - like the actual data and numbers to back up how bhopping the way hammy was is 100% only able to be done cheating - then it can NOT be treated as cheating. It has to be 100% without a doubt cheating. There can not be any doubt about it. There is clearly a lot of doubt about it - even I can agree on that. 


Unless someone has more timestamps specifically showing 100% proof of cheating I can not support this ban. I will finish fully watching this clip just to be sure tomorrow. 

 

[You]

me see ban

me see proof

me say i see nothing of substance

 

me say +1 for unban

[Hammy]

2 hours ago, glorp said:

me see ban

me see proof

me say i see nothing of substance

 

me say +1 for unban

so profound