Staff shouldnt be able to hide posts under appeals and reports so frequently

[Community Removal]

I notice often when someone who isn't entirely or not associated with an appeal or report put a genuine non trolling comment that defends or is a counter argument to the report/appeal and then to have their post hidden by staff for no apparent reason, now I am aware that staff can see these hidden posts but what is the reason for hiding them from non staff, it cant be for "cluttering" the post since staff (the people who truly decide) can still see it, and it cant be for being a "useless comment" that adds nothing because it usually has enough detail to explain their point. I don't mind the random comment of like 6 words just insulting the poster or the one who got reported being hidden/deleted but what I don't understand why player opinions are hidden from other players. Is there a reason for it?

 

[toosii]

I agree. Now of course people shouldn't be able to comment completely useless replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the appeal/report or are just calling the original poster a dumbass or something. 

But if its someone not involved with the original sit or situation who has an opinion on how it was handled or something semi useful to add I don't see an issue with that.

I do think there is a reason for so many comments getting hidden though, because for example I've seen people who were not involved at all arguing on the appeals or reports and that itself is pointless & takes away from people providing actual useful feedback.

Shit I wouldn't even mind if players (non staff) were able to +1/-1 certain appeals such as community removals. Sure staff opinion can be taken more seriously but at the same time I think that in at least some circumstances all players should be able to give their opinion or provide information regarding a ban as long as they aren't being bias, blatantly insulting the player, etc.

Edited December 6, 2022 by toosii

[cobaselic]

If you have valid evidence to add to a report you are free to add it. But if you just wanna give your opinion, with nothing added to the report itself, it's prolly gonna get removed. When we don't remove that, the threads end up being 5 pages long. If you wanna comment your opinion and how you think every single report should go, join the staff team!

[Tene]

12 hours ago, KKStoner said:

I notice often when someone who isn't entirely or not associated with an appeal or report put a genuine non trolling comment that defends or is a counter argument to the report/appeal and then to have their post hidden by staff for no apparent reason

i dont think this happens, if its a valid reason to reply like giving evidence of like a past ban or past issue that is like 'hey this guy did exact same thing but no punishment cuz allowed as can be seen here (forums link)'  then it will/should be left up.. but posts that are solely 'i dont think this guy should receive a ban because this user is an incredible community member and it was just a 1 off mistake' type of thing will be hidden. as coba has said, if u want to give ur opinion on reports/appeals apply for staff. if you're actually adding evidence or context or reasoning then 9/10 times it wont be hidden.

 

 

12 hours ago, KKStoner said:

 what is the reason for hiding them from non staff, it cant be for "cluttering" the post since staff (the people who truly decide) can still see it

 

yeah when posts are hidden it just lets the staff member scroll past it, because if it adds value it wouldn't have been hidden, so reading someone preach their opinion about it doesnt really add anything to the report and the staff should only give their opinion based off of the evidence provided etc, not off of what they see other people think. so while yes they can still see it, they (or atleast I dont think) don't really take the hidden messages into account and instead only take the ones in actual white unhidden text into their decision making. Thats how I deal with it atleast and how I assume a lot of other staff members do.

[Community Removal]

6 hours ago, Tene said:

yeah when posts are hidden it just lets the staff member scroll past it, because if it adds value it wouldn't have been hidden, so reading someone preach their opinion about it doesnt really add anything to the report and the staff should only give their opinion based off of the evidence provided etc,

 

15 hours ago, cobaselic said:

If you have valid evidence to add to a report you are free to add it. But if you just wanna give your opinion, with nothing added to the report itself, it's prolly gonna get removed. When we don't remove that, the threads end up being 5 pages long.

Im not saying every single post by not involved players should not be hidden by staff, but I just notice mine and some others posts be hidden while trying to look at the evidence a different way. You both are telling me to apply for staff because i want to have an input on appeals/reports, toosii made a good point that players should have at least an open opinion and get to see how players think of how a situation was handled or if a report/appeal is truly fair or not. This post is not me saying every single unrelated player post shouldnt be hidden but i think it would be fair that players could look at appeals/reports in a different light other than "This rule was broken +1 for ban".

Edited December 6, 2022 by KKStoner

[Malicious]

we do not care if you're not directly involved in the post/ have anything valid to say providing evidence or bringing something to light stfu. ;D