Sticks Ban Appeal

[Sticks]

1 minute ago, Smelly said:

There isn't any way of knowing correct, though he did tell you in the video "I have aces, you might as well just fold". You guys had no idea what he had and the fact he was raising may have tricked you into believing that was true. We don't know what hand won and if he would have won or not but that does not change the fact you loopholed the rules in order for SOMEONE to win the hand.

 

Yes, he told us he had pocket aces, which is the best hand in poker. Obviously people say that all the time, so it is not something that is taken seriously. I probably said that I have pocket aces in the discord 10 time during the time we were playing poker (Hint: I didnt have pocket aces)
I was also the first to get the options on what to do, so I was the first person to raise the hand. 
As for your last sentence, we do know what hand won, and we do know that special educator would NOT have won the hand.
 

 

6 minutes ago, Smelly said:

I literally brought you in, asked how your day was, informed you why you were there and you got very hostile telling me no rules were broken, nothing in the rules says you can't do this, etc. Sorry if you took my stern talking as "demeaning" but in no way was I being demeaning. This is pretty shitty behavior coming from someone who was staff at one point and is trying to use the MOTD to their advantage to take money from players.

 

I wish that my shadow play had clipped the ingame voice, as I could show what happened.
You brought me to the sit, asked me what happened, I explained. You then had a demeaning tone that was along the lines of "I know you did this and it broke a rule i think" I took offense to this as you had already assumed my guilt.
 

 

2 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Doesn’t matter you still killed him with no valid rp reason as you didn’t even ask the dude to stand up? I hate using the real life comparison in this game but am I gonna hire a hitman to kill someone because he didn’t move from a spot I wanted to sit in and didn’t make him aware of it?? No. 

Have you read anything in the post? My RP reason for killing him was because I had a hit on him, which is a VALID reason. Regardless of what is going on when the hit is placed, I have a legitimate reason to kill him as I have a hit on him that someone else had placed and paid for.

 

3 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Why would there be a sit made and the player allow the ban to go through if he was in the same call with you and sticks? 

Special Educator was not in the call, it was me and Piklas (1-800-Suicide) who were in the call.
 

 

5 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

What does this have to do with anything? Money is money doesn’t matter what your current financial status is and whether you cared about it you still did it and gained 1.2m

 

 

Piklas told me to stand up, I stood up, he placed a hit, I completed the hit, Special Educator Complained, I got banned.

5 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

What does this have to do with anything? Money is money doesn’t matter what your current financial status is and whether you cared about it you still did it and gained 1.2m

 

Neither me or piklas gained any money through this other than the 200 dollar hit price that I gained from completing the hit.

 

7 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

As just said if the money wasn’t a problem for neither sticks or you care why wouldn’t you just give him the money that was not fairly taken?

 

Piklas said in the quote that you quoted that he attempted to give him the money back, but he declined the trade. This shows that Special Educator cared less about the money and more about attempting to get a player punished.

 

8 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Seems pretty obvious what happened here and from my perspective looks like a scam over 1m and the other rules you’ve broken from smellys earlier post, -1 for warn removal and +1 for a ban extension. 

So why am I the one that was punished when I did not gain any money? All I did was kill Special Educator while he was playing poker, I did not win the hand, I actually lost more money than special educator in the hand.

[Sticks]

I am still curious what rule I broke as there are 4 listed rules in my ban reason. 
FailRP - The only thing that I can think of that would be FailRP would be me asking someone to place a hit, which I did not, as Piklas was the one who wanted the hit to be placed.

Minging - How is me completing a hit minging? Regardless of what the scenario is, I completed my RP job of being a hitman.

Exploiting -  What?????

Toxicity - The only one of these that has any merit as I got quite upset in the sit when Smelly said that he was going to ban me, but the most toxic thing I said was that smelly is "Talking a lot but not saying anything"

 

If smelly could give a legitimate rule that I broke I would be happy.

[1-800-Suicide]

22 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Why would there be a sit made and the player allow the ban to go through if he was in the same call with you and sticks? 
 

Doesn’t matter you still killed him with no valid rp reason as you didn’t even ask the dude to stand up? I hate using the real life comparison in this game but am I gonna hire a hitman to kill someone because he didn’t move from a spot I wanted to sit in and didn’t make him aware of it?? No. 
 

What does this have to do with anything? Money is money doesn’t matter what your current financial status is and whether you cared about it you still did it and gained 1.2m

 

As just said if the money wasn’t a problem for neither sticks or you care why wouldn’t you just give him the money that was not fairly taken?

 

It’s common knowledge we don’t bring “witnesses” into sits as things can be misconstrued and I don’t see why you could have just sent the clip to sticks.

 

I wasn't aware that sticks was in a sit because he deafened during the sit. 

 

Are you saying every other hit is made with a "valid rp reason" 

 

That was in an imaginary scenario which makes a bunch of assumptions, i dont even remember who actually won the hand in the end.

 

I didn't know the exact amount that special educator lost so i traded him some items but he declined the trade so i dont know what im supposed to do in that scenario if he doesn't want to be paid back

 

It's also used to be common knowledge that staff used evidence to support a punishment instead of going off what the person that called this sit says blindly. Also in the past where i have been in sits where i think people have asked for hits on me the staff member has brought the person that called the hit if no other evidence is found.

 

 

This might actually be more your speed tho since you people clearly love stories and assumptions more than actual evidence or deduction.

Do you think it is more likely that i wanted low who i have played poker with many many times to sit down at the table rather than play with a random person or do you think its more likely that me and sticks went into a complex scheme to scam this guy out of literally 0,1% of our combined net worth. Do you think its more likely that I wanted to play poker with someone else or that i just hate special educator to the point where i would break the rules to gain the most miniscule amount of money. 

 

Next i would love to see some ACTUAL EVIDENCE of wrongdoing and i will re-iterate that if i was brought to the sit i would literally have evidence to support my claim but since smelly would rather be lazy and work off his gut feeling i cannot do that

 

edit: "i think that staff are contradictory and lazy alot especially when they think that no one will find out" something i said on forums a while back and its showing up hot in this scenario

Edited January 18, 2022 by 1-800-Suicide

[TRMaze]

21 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Lets also not go over the fact that i tried trading special educator giving him an item to repay him

Item isn’t equivalent to money to some people in game. 

 

12 minutes ago, Sticks said:

Neither me or piklas gained any money through this other than the 200 dollar hit price that I gained from completing the hit.

But a player still wasn’t afforded the chance they could have had at winning therefore benefiting the other person on the table and not to special educator. 

 

17 minutes ago, Sticks said:

So why am I the one that was punished when I did not gain any money? All I did was kill Special Educator while he was playing poker, I did not win the hand, I actually lost more money than special educator in the hand.

This is a valid point however and I will look into it further and change my initial response to neutral until more evidence is provided. 
 

 

 

[Special Educator]

40 minutes ago, Sticks said:

Special Educator was not in the call, it was me and Piklas (1-800-Suicide) who were in the call.

Why are you lying or at least not telling the whole story here? You leave out the fact that Smerexy was also in the Discord call with you as well? Because actually, it was all three of you at the table at the time in a call with one another. Sticks, Piklas, and Smerexy were all in the call together, and sitting at the same table. So you can say that you had no way of knowing who would get the money all you want, but you made sure it would 100% be one of you in the discord call working together on this. The reason I KNOW Smerexy was in the call is because when Piklas offered the fish, he said nothing in game chat that would give a hint as to what he was offering yet Smerexy said "take good care of it" obviously implying the take care of the fish. I have this on video and I can work on getting that edited and the link added, but he was 100% on that call, working with them to guarantee one of them would win.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

Lets also not go over the fact that i tried trading special educator giving him an item to repay him for what i thought he lost on poker at the time.

Just to reiterate so everything is clear, the "item" he offered to pay back the 1.2m in chips was a fish, worth about 32k. And definitely comes across more as a 'fuck you' than a real attempt at repayment.

https://imgur.com/cb8DgL8

 

 

40 minutes ago, Sticks said:

So why am I the one that was punished when I did not gain any money? All I did was kill Special Educator while he was playing poker, I did not win the hand, I actually lost more money than special educator in the hand.

 

 

Also, one other thing I feel I should note. After I was dead I came back, they were still on the same hand when I came back, and while it was definitely glitch, because there's so many more cards on the table than there should be, take a look at the value of the pot. When I died, the pot was 470k chips, when I came back and they had run through a bunch of hands, it had moved up to 490k because the last person had to call the 20k raise before the next cards would come out. So please, tell me how exactly you "actually lost more money" than me when you didn't put any more money into that pot after you killed me?

 

They had gotten me to put my money in and didnt care to continue raising or playing at all really, they were just burning through the rest of the hand to claim my cash, knowing that it would ultimately go to one of them in that discord call that set this all up.

 

https://imgur.com/a/kN1rioX

Edited January 18, 2022 by Special Educator

[Smelly]

9 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Item isn’t equivalent to money to some people in game. 

 

But a player still wasn’t afforded the chance they could have had at winning therefore benefiting the other person on the table and not to special educator. 

 

This is a valid point however and I will look into it further and change my initial response to neutral until more evidence is provided. 
 

 

 

 

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Player Sticks (Slanted) (STEAM_0:0:84586685) killed Special Educator (Social Justiciar) (STEAM_0:0:80009642) with weapon weapon_handcannon <17-01-2022 / 21:21:58>

Player Sticks(STEAM_0:0:84586685) (Slanted) said // thanks for money Special Educator <17-01-2022 / 21:22:20>

22 seconds after he killed him, he said thanks for the money in OOC to Special.

[Special Educator]

2 minutes ago, Smelly said:

22 seconds after he killed him, he said thanks for the money in OOC to Special.

Can confirm 

 

https://imgur.com/ismew8C

[TRMaze]

2 minutes ago, Smelly said:

 

16 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

Item isn’t equivalent to money to some people in game. 

 

But a player still wasn’t afforded the chance they could have had at winning therefore benefiting the other person on the table and not to special educator. 

 

This is a valid point however and I will look into it further and change my initial response to neutral until more evidence is provided. 
 

 

 

 

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Player Sticks (Slanted) (STEAM_0:0:84586685) killed Special Educator (Social Justiciar) (STEAM_0:0:80009642) with weapon weapon_handcannon <17-01-2022 / 21:21:58>

Player Sticks(STEAM_0:0:84586685) (Slanted) said // thanks for money Special Educator <17-01-2022 / 21:22:20>

22 seconds after he killed him, he said thanks for the money in OOC to Special.

 

Interesting. Thanks smelly

[1-800-Suicide]

8 minutes ago, Special Educator said:

 

Just to reiterate so everything is clear, the "item" he offered to pay back the 1.2m in chips was a fish, worth about 32k. And definitely comes across more as a 'fuck you' than a real attempt at repayment.

 

at the time i believed you had only bet a small amount of money (10k buy in + a few bets) and we had been trading the fish around so i thought i might aswell give it to you has reparations for lost money

[TRMaze]

2 minutes ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

at the time i believed you had only bet a small amount of money (10k buy in + a few bets) and we had been trading the fish around so i thought i might aswell give it to you has reparations for lost money

You’ve just skipped over a lot of evidence presented to talk about one small thing, what about the rest.  Also just to add on a pot doesn’t get to about 490k/1.2m by putting in 32k worth of chips. 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Maze マインクラフト