Report on Toosi

[Zesty]

Put it like this, if a cop gets killed, then a revolt starts, and the player who killed the cop joined the revolt, it doesn't make sense if that cop then kills the player for it to be NLR. It's a new life, new rp situation. If he dies to you because he was trying to fine you for a bounty, then he comes back to attempt the same thing, then yeah its nlr. But if he tried to arrest you for something like jaywalking, died, then sees you shooting cops, it makes sense for him to intervene. If the only reason he went to your general location was because he just died there it'd be NLR since he went there to specifically interact with you, but what I've been seeing here is that situation isn't the case, he saw you when he left spawn. I'm a -1 for a punishment.

[Sixnut]

Not sure how my fellow staff members don't see how this is NLR but from the video it's pretty obvious. He came back in less than 20 seconds to cuff him immediately after being killed. +1 for punishment

[Quas]

14 hours ago, Zesty said:

Put it like this, if a cop gets killed, then a revolt starts, and the player who killed the cop joined the revolt, it doesn't make sense if that cop then kills the player for it to be NLR. It's a new life, new rp situation. If he dies to you because he was trying to fine you for a bounty, then he comes back to attempt the same thing, then yeah its nlr. But if he tried to arrest you for something like jaywalking, died, then sees you shooting cops, it makes sense for him to intervene. If the only reason he went to your general location was because he just died there it'd be NLR since he went there to specifically interact with you, but what I've been seeing here is that situation isn't the case, he saw you when he left spawn. I'm a -1 for a punishment.

Exactly my point. Both scenarios you brought up are what I agree with. The revolt, of course the CP can kill the player that killed him, he is in that revolt for the pure reason to kill CPs and overthrow the government. And the second scenario, of course he can arrest that player if he is shooting CPs, it would be foolish to standby while your fellow cops are being harmed. But, this scenario between me and toosi, is not comparable to those. Gun out? Yes, illegal. Jaywalking? Yes, illegal, but the difference is both of these are passive activities, neither are directly bothering or harming the lives of other players. The icing on the cake is that there were other players very obviously breaking laws in that clip, yet I was the one cuffed and fined, the person that just killed him.

[toosii]

59 minutes ago, Sixnut said:

Not sure how my fellow staff members don't see how this is NLR but from the video it's pretty obvious. He came back in less than 20 seconds to cuff him immediately after being killed. +1 for punishment

I dont see it as NLR because before I was staff I was called into a sit for this same situation. Staff member who took the sit did NOT warn me and said I was in the right. I was told it is not NLR because they were breaking a law that I could see after I died and they were near spawn (so I was clearly not targeting them) Seems like we need a little more training on NLR because I have been misinformed by another staff member previously, And quite a few staff members agreed this was not NLR (not saying your wrong and it wasnt NLR, but yeah...)

Edited July 26, 2021 by RAY RAY

[Quas]

4 minutes ago, RAY RAY said:

I dont see it as NLR because before I was staff I was called into a sit for this same situation. Staff member who took the sit did NOT warn me and said I was in the right. I was told it is not NLR because they were breaking a law that I could see after I died and they were near spawn (so I was clearly not targeting them) Seems like we need a little more training on NLR because I have been misinformed by another staff member previously, And quite a few staff members agreed this was not NLR (not saying it wasnt cause I guess from what your saying it is) 

If you are referring to Raid Lord, after he returned you he said he was uncertain, but believe I might be right. There are a lot of grey areas in the MOTD, it just needs to be fixed little by little.

[toosii]

19 minutes ago, Quas said:

If you are referring to Raid Lord, after he returned you he said he was uncertain, but believe I might be right. There are a lot of grey areas in the MOTD, it just needs to be fixed little by little.

I was referring to something that happened a month or 2 ago before I was even a staff member. After seeing the opinions of some higher rank staff it seems I may very well be in the wrong here, and if so I will warn myself for NLR. If that is the case, I do apologize cause as a moderator I should know all the rules of the server in depth. But as you said it does seem like kind of a gray area because  I've seen many different opinions from staff members here some saying it wasnt NLR and some saying it was. I have just been told personally by an admin  that it's not NLR when I got called into that sit a month ago so I thought I was in the right in the situation. 

[{GN} Isaac]

When you just died from a player you should not come back immediately to rp with them again. You should definitely wait a couple mins before interacting with them again.  I agree with this report and toosi did break nlr. For the future wait a couple mins then continue your rp with that player. But dying and coming back to rp with that person is a no no. If he was killing someone and you seen or something drastic okay. But after dying it's always best to give it a couple mins

 

Accepted

 

Staff member will warn themselves 

Edited July 26, 2021 by {GN} Isaac