Unban Appeal - Frisco

[Fuel]

I don't really think if you came back that you would say something of that degree again, but it's a given you're still gonna be extremely toxic, telling people to commit suicide and what not; How you interpret this is up to your own discretion. I've never really liked it and I think it's borish but that being said, it's not the reason you were banned and if this was in another discord, I don't know. Is information here being left out? -- I can't really say that you've done anything as a no-no or to be seen as a serious perma bannable toxicity offense with further investigation of how you've been acting inside of our discord and in game, aside from casual toxicity here and there. I mean, there's no doubt your toxic but is the toxicity here and there the reason for your ban or was it the clip of you saying a staff member would be disfigured from a car crash? I'm gonna stay at a neutral here leaning towards a -1 till contrary information can be stated from the Super Administrators as they will be the ones handling your ban, most likely..

Edited October 1, 2020 by johneysrap

[LeGerbs]

I've spoken my opinion clearly with mods and administration team..

 

A remark said in a private area should not be punished. Especially if it was never meant to reach the communities ears.

 

With that being said after seeing numerous players be removed entirely from the community for being toxic. Why do you think you can get away with it too Frisco? I know for a fact you are very toxic. Probably not to the extent of some other players. That doesn't excuse you though. Answer me these questions honestly and it could persuade me into +1ing this appeal.

 

1. After numerous perm bans handed out to other players for toxicity, why do you continue to follow in their footsteps.

 

2. What is the point of being toxic? Does it fill your already massive ego?

 

3. If you were given a chance again. What could you do to change your attitude towards staff and players?

 

 

I'm all for second chances Frisco but you gotta grow up dude. There comes a time when it's just not that funny anymore. 

[newest player]

1 hour ago, LeGerbs said:

I've spoken my opinion clearly with mods and administration team..

 

A remark said in a private area should not be punished. Especially if it was never meant to reach the communities ears.

 

With that being said after seeing numerous players be removed entirely from the community for being toxic. Why do you think you can get away with it too Frisco? I know for a fact you are very toxic. Probably not to the extent of some other players. That doesn't excuse you though. Answer me these questions honestly and it could persuade me into +1ing this appeal.

 

1. After numerous perm bans handed out to other players for toxicity, why do you continue to follow in their footsteps.

 

2. What is the point of being toxic? Does it fill your already massive ego?

 

3. If you were given a chance again. What could you do to change your attitude towards staff and players?

 

 

I'm all for second chances Frisco but you gotta grow up dude. There comes a time when it's just not that funny anymore. 

you asked for honest answers. Well here they are. This should answer all of your questions adequately 

1 - The people who were banned for toxicity was in game had the same reason for being toxic as I do, guess I’ll spill the beans. 
 

2 - the point of me being toxic?

I have created an online persona as most other have.

it’s for show. simply put. because the second I stop being toxic is the second when people think they can step all over me. 
 

The responses on here of people that say I’ve never had an issue with frisco are the ones my friends have told me were chill pretty much as I met them so I don’t gotta act like a dick to keep them away from me because I don’t trust many people. 

The second part of that question about my ego- Im not sure if you’ve ever been in a private vc with me like one on one but the people that have, know why I’m answering it like this. I’m pretty sure I haven’t been in one with you, if you’d like to join one with me one on one I’d be more than happy to.

 

3 - well this is an easy answer. avoid shittalking entirely can’t lose an argument you won’t participate in.
Can’t hurt anyone’s feelings if I avoid talking to them.

 

 

 

the toxicity isn’t real long story short. It’s a wall I erected around myself.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Frisco

[newest player]

2 hours ago, johneysrap said:

I don't really think if you came back that you would say something of that degree again, but it's a given you're still gonna be extremely toxic, telling people to commit suicide and what not; How you interpret this is up to your own discretion. I've never really liked it and I think it's borish but that being said, it's not the reason you were banned and if this was in another discord, I don't know. Is information here being left out? -- I can't really say that you've done anything as a no-no or to be seen as a serious perma bannable toxicity offense with further investigation of how you've been acting inside of our discord and in game, aside from casual toxicity here and there. I mean, there's no doubt your toxic but is the toxicity here and there the reason for your ban or was it the clip of you saying a staff member would be disfigured from a car crash? I'm gonna stay at a neutral here leaning towards a -1 till contrary information can be stated from the Super Administrators as they will be the ones handling your ban, most likely..

All of the information I explained in my last ban appeal. There is minutes before and after I said what got me banned in the clip. No nothing is being left out. the toxicity here and there was not it. whoever sent that clip thought I was talking about Jackson and I wasn’t. my exact words were “who banned me? Ski? I hope he dies...(the car part)” whoever sent this to Walter did not make sure they were correct and the admins all thought I was encouraging Jackson to commit suicide but they had already made up their minds by the time I had a chance to explain what really happened.

 

 

no death threats 

no suicide encouragement 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Frisco

[LeGerbs]

So here's the deal. You've messed with me in the past followed me and called me names. I really took it as you joking so no big deal. Some people handle things differently than I do they don't react the same. You need to realize that in our community we are pushing that type of behavior out. Whether it be by example or handing out permanent bans.

 

I get you've created this persona and the way I took it is you using it as a defense tactic from being harassed. People don't harass you because they are afraid of you. And staff don't want to take your sits because they're scared. Simply put people just do not like you. Obviously there's exceptions to everything. 

 

What I want for you is to change how you act and see a difference in how the community perceives you. If you are messed with or bullied we are here to help you. I can assure you people will have nothing but respect for you if you're a good person. 

 

You need to change Frisco. I don't have any objections to you being unbanned but it has to stop. Not tomorrow but now. +1 on full unban

Edited October 1, 2020 by LeGerbs

[Walter the Assaulter]

6 hours ago, Frisco said:

That post exists because somehow people didn’t even try to see my ban for what it is. Or maybe they don't to.

 

Its awful what I said, yeah, but the garrysmod server rules are being enforced in private discord calls. 
 

Think for a second if the Chinese Law Enforcement broke down your front door and declared, “You’ve broken 31 laws of our laws in the last week and you’re behind arrested.” 
 

hopefully that puts my ban into perspective. I won’t sit here and tell you guys that I was never toxic, because I’d be lying to y’all and myself. This ban appeals purpose was to show y’all that my perma was false, because it is. It was my first EVER harassment punishment, and there is a reason for that, when staff tell me to stay away from someone I listen. I wasn’t given the chance to just leave him alone because he didn’t even know I said that in the first place. Me saying this was an only an issue after someone posted that clip, causing all the issues that didn't exist until they made the conscience decision to spread it.

 

*sigh* I see the direction this is headed though. 

If you want to play the comparison game, imagine for a second that you own a store and you overhear a customer (who you've previously heard tell employees to kill themselves) standing out on the sidewalk tell 14 other customers that they hope that one of your managers dies in a car crash and that their body is so disfigured that the body will never be identified and their family will be sad, so you ask them to not return to your store because you don't want their patronage or them saying those kinds of things inside your store later. They then start spouting off about how you're chinese law enforcement because they were talking to other customers just outside the store and not inside it, and how it wasn't an issue that they were saying those kinds of things until you overheard that conversation. They then proceed to bully and shit talk other customers after they were banned from the store and start talking about how all the employees have smooth brains, then ask to be unbanned from the store a week later.

 

Words have meaning and actions have consequences. When someone intentionally mass RDMs, they aren't entitled to a finger wag and another chance before we ban them. You said that in front of like 14 other people and you're telling me you implicitly knew that it was never going to get back to the person you were talking about? You didn't, because it turns out it did. 

 

Honestly I was supportive of a timed ban sentence rather than permanent after reading your appeal (and have said so and encouraged it to other staff in Discord) until I started looking through your replies. It seems like you aren't understanding or wanting to get it at all. It also isn't your god-given right to play here like we can't look at what you do unless you're on the server. It doesn't happen often I grant you, but it's not very often I listen to a recording and literally go what the fuck. Contrary to popular belief, we aren't part of the US government or law enforcement. And even they aren't beholden to give you a platform to speak on, only to not restrict lawful speech on your own platforms. (and IIRC we only banned you from our own privately owned platforms) 

 

I voted in favor of the permanent ban because I didn't want people who can easily and casually make those kinds of statements about staff that I'm supposed to lead be part of the community that I interact with on a daily basis, in solidarity with the other blue names. Your replies to your own appeal have been scathing and sarcastic while trying to convince us that the continued toxicity was just an act. My viewpoint is now as it was.

 

-1

 

Upon further reflection and discussion, I am +1 for a timed ban rather than a permanent ban and agree with the suggestion of a 3-6 month timeframe.

Edited October 1, 2020 by Walter the Assaulter
Changed opinion

[newest player]

26 minutes ago, Walter the Assaulter said:

If you want to play the comparison game, imagine for a second that you own a store and you overhear a customer (who you've previously heard tell employees to kill themselves) standing out on the sidewalk tell 14 other customers that they hope that one of your managers dies in a car crash and that their body is so disfigured that the body will never be identified and their family will be sad, so you ask them to not return to your store because you don't want their patronage or them saying those kinds of things inside your store later. They then start spouting off about how you're chinese law enforcement because they were talking to other customers just outside the store and not inside it, and how it wasn't an issue that they were saying those kinds of things until you overheard that conversation. They then proceed to bully and shit talk other customers after they were banned from the store and start talking about how all the employees have smooth brains, then ask to be unbanned from the store a week later.

 

Words have meaning and actions have consequences. When someone intentionally mass RDMs, they aren't entitled to a finger wag and another chance before we ban them. You said that in front of like 14 other people and you're telling me you implicitly knew that it was never going to get back to the person you were talking about? You didn't, because it turns out it did. 

 

Honestly I was supportive of a timed ban sentence rather than permanent after reading your appeal (and have said so and encouraged it to other staff in Discord) until I started looking through your replies. It seems like you aren't understanding or wanting to get it at all. It also isn't your god-given right to play here like we can't look at what you do unless you're on the server. It doesn't happen often I grant you, but it's not very often I listen to a recording and literally go what the fuck. Contrary to popular belief, we aren't part of the US government or law enforcement. And even they aren't beholden to give you a platform to speak on, only to not restrict lawful speech on your own platforms. (and IIRC we only banned you from our own privately owned platforms) 

 

I voted in favor of the permanent ban because I didn't want people who can easily and casually make those kinds of statements about staff that I'm supposed to lead be part of the community that I interact with on a daily basis, in solidarity with the other blue names. Your replies to your own appeal have been scathing and sarcastic while trying to convince us that the continued toxicity was just an act. My viewpoint is now as it was.

 

-1

I was asked for honest answers. I gave honest answers. I’ve already asked to speak to skii personally in discord

and we plan to talk in a few hours. I have done everything there is possible to help my chances of somehow getting my

banned lessoned at least. I have corrected confused people, explained my reasons for doing the things I do because

i was asked to.  Where did I say anything saracastic?

Edited October 1, 2020 by Frisco

[Walter the Assaulter]

10 minutes ago, Frisco said:

I was asked for honest answers. I gave honest answers. I’ve already asked to speak to skii personally in discord

and we plan to talk in a few hours. I have done everything there is possible to help my chances of somehow getting my

banned lessoned at least. I have corrected confused people, explained my reasons for doing the things I do because

i was asked to.  Where did I say anything saracastic?

Your answers were honest, so is my post. That's my viewpoint of the situation. I appreciate your frank reply.

 

After thinking it over some more, the timeframe of 3-6 months was put out by one of the admins. I think that would be appropriate rather than a permanent ban and will edit my reply to reflect that.

[Payanskii]

So y’all weren’t gonna tell me about this ? 
When it comes to removal of communities, it’s not something that’s supposed to be done on a one time thing ( unless it’s really really bad ) Frisco saying that shit out of spite/anger is understandable, even though it’s really fucking stupid. He shouldn’t have said it in the first place, but there’s no harm done. Frisco is someone that used to be a pain in the ass and disrespectful, but he grew from that, and he’s been better. He changed his attitude, and showed improvement. His recent (1-2 months till now ) behavior has been better. Of course he still was a bit toxic, but not to the extent of getting a removal. Which is the highest punishment. I had no idea that this happened. If I had, I would’ve done/said something about it. Of course that shit is bad to say.

Frisco and me have been in a call apologizing, I didn’t even know what the hell he was talking about. I heard him out, and we sorted things out.

Ban removal: No

Ban reduction: From perma to 2 months ( including the months that’s gone by ) for general toxicity.

Get your punishments correct. And contact the people involved in the future. 
Goodbye peeps,

Papa Skii

[Notusingthisshitnomore4228]

After thinking about it, I wanna apologize to you, Frisco. I may have been a little too extra with my response, but you have a bad reputation, I'll say upfront. I won't sugarcoat it, but I think you are making an effort to improve, and I understand that habits are hard to break. I have experienced this first hand. I also think after second thought, that we have overstepped our boundaries. I really commend you for being an active member of the community, and I believe you can be a shining example of what it is like to be a member of titsrp. I think a ban reduction would be good for you. Just keep improving, and getting better. I won't hold anything in the past against you anymore. Just make sure you set a good example for new people, and if you ever need help, personally, please talk to me on discord. I'll help you in however way I can. +1 in favor of a Ban reduction.