gmodplayer22 warn appeal

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, Tali said:

So with Piklas's response here I learned some things I didn't know. Doors cannot be breached / lockpicked during a mayors grace. Meaning the only has you could've got in was with a cop letting you in. Which is obviously not allowed. I do believe Piklas was right in the sit that I took with saying I should've given you a verbal for it. At the time I didn't know these things so I didn't act on it. The only thing you could've raided PD for would have been to kill. But with more evidence coming out and me just learning more about all what happens with a mayor is fresh in office, I do think that your warn of a Fail Raid is correct.

Immediate accusations of me breaking another rule, very fitting! The doors being unlocked prior/during the raid by PD who are ignorant to the fact I'm raiding or even a hacker with a hack phone or even using a skeleton key doesn't mean I intentionally had a friend go on CP and unlock doors for me sir. You can help prisoners escape if they are in the cell with the destructible vent by simply shooting the entrance open for the trapped prisoner, no pick lock required.

You admit you didnt know of the grace periods mechanics, This confirms that even staff were still learning the mechanics themselves, and the rules were not fully internalized.
Also the doors can be unlocked you know, like they arent locked as soon as they close, this and the skeleton key item is how I raid the vault when the event is taking place during a grace period.

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22

[1-800-Suicide]

1 minute ago, gmodplayer22 said:

You can help prisoners escape if they are in the cell with the destructible vent by simply shooting the entrance open for the trapped prisoner, no pick lock required.

Which prisoner were you breaking out specifically? Because there were a total of 0 arrested players. The other methods of gaining access to pd during grace seem like pretty obvious bugs or exploits in my opinion

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, 1-800-Suicide said:

Which prisoner were you breaking out specifically? Because there were a total of 0 arrested players. The other methods of gaining access to pd during grace seem like pretty obvious bugs or exploits in my opinion

I dont remember, this was more then 11 hours ago at this point and as I said I have no clips. If you believe they are bugs or exploits then I would encourage you to report them as such so we can avoid a situation like this in the future.
As I posted before 

These are not mutually exclusive objectives.

Saying:

• I intended to prison break

• I intended to kill the mayor

• I intended to raid the vault

is not a contradiction — it is listing allowed options, not revising events.

I was repeatedly pressed during the sit to explain why I was in PD.
Each time I answered honestly and within the scope of the rules

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22

[tali]

8 minutes ago, gmodplayer22 said:

Immediate accusations of me breaking another rule, very fitting! The doors being unlocked prior/during the raid by PD who are ignorant to the fact I'm raiding or even a hacker with a hack phone or even using a skeleton key doesn't mean I intentionally had a friend go on CP and unlock doors for me sir. You can help prisoners escape if they are in the cell with the destructible vent by simply shooting the entrance open for the trapped prisoner, no pick lock required.

You admit you didnt know of the grace periods mechanics, This confirms that even staff were still learning the mechanics themselves, and the rules were not fully internalized.

Never did say you had a friend go onto a cp job and let you in. I did leave out that possibility of all of the doors being unlocked, but what are the odd of all of those doors being unlocked? Also, who were you trying to prison break? It was noted in our sit that there was no one in the jail. Also your comment about the rules not being fully internalized is remarkable to say the least. There are many little things about the server that you wouldn't know unless it happened to you, because they are simply not stated anywhere. I'm always trying to learn the rules better than I currently know at the time. But with everything here, your claim of raiding PD to break prisoners out is just false. I stand firm with Bee and her decision to give you a warn for Fail Raiding

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, Tali said:

Never did say you had a friend go onto a cp job and let you in. I did leave out that possibility of all of the doors being unlocked, but what are the odd of all of those doors being unlocked? Also, who were you trying to prison break? It was noted in our sit that there was no one in the jail. Also your comment about the rules not being fully internalized is remarkable to say the least. There are many little things about the server that you wouldn't know unless it happened to you, because they are simply not stated anywhere. I'm always trying to learn the rules better than I currently know at the time. But with everything here, your claim of raiding PD to break prisoners out is just false. I stand firm with Bee and her decision to give you a warn for Fail Raiding

I intended to kill the mayor aswell which was established in the sit with beeteeth and I succeeded, meeting the !motd criteria of a successful raid, which I defended in previous replies. 
Not once in that post you quoted did i explicitly claim what you said, I was simply explaining to you mechanics of the game. 

[tali]

If you intended to kill the mayor, why not say that in the sit I had with you? You simply claimed that you were doing a prison break. The fact it took you multiple sits to have the claim of also wanting to kill the mayor during his grace time is suspicious...

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, Tali said:

If you intended to kill the mayor, why not say that in the sit I had with you? You simply claimed that you were doing a prison break. The fact it took you multiple sits to have the claim of also wanting to kill the mayor during his grace time is suspicious...

That sit was one I created on piklas for prop minge, I was heavily confused as to why I became the defendant for an RDM in the same sit, it appears you still view me as the defendant of an RDM in the sit and not somebody who called a sit for prop minge. 
There was 1 sit today called on me for fail raid/rdm by piklas, one single sit. Yours was about prop minge, not this. Don't even say "multiple" like that because you know you are trying to discredit me.

[tali]

Just now, gmodplayer22 said:

That sit was one I created on piklas for prop minge, I was heavily confused as to why I became the defendant for an RDM in the same sit, it appears you still view me as the defendant of an RDM in the sit and not somebody who called a sit for prop minge. 
There was 1 sit today called on me for fail raid/rdm by piklas, one single sit. Yours was about prop minge, not this. Don't even say "multiple" like that because you know you are trying to discredit me.

So unless i'm just misremembering the sit that we had, never did I bombard you with questions about RDM. You were raiding PD, so it wouldn't even make sense for me to question you about RDM. 

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, Tali said:

So unless i'm just misremembering the sit that we had, never did I bombard you with questions about RDM. You were raiding PD, so it wouldn't even make sense for me to question you about RDM. 

Neither one of us have clips of the sit, I could be mistaken but I remember at least 1 direct mention of RDM. If I am incorrect when further evidence possibly gets released then I do apologize.

[Blue.]

1 hour ago, gmodplayer22 said:

The MOTD does not state that an adverted PD raid becomes “FailRP” automatically if the mayor recently changed jobs or is on a grace period, there is valid RP reasons to raid during the grace period. If it affected things that much then all events involving the PD would be cancelled as soon as a new mayor is on the job

The existence of a mayor grace period does not automatically invalidate a PD raid unless the rules explicitly state that PD raids are prohibited during that grace period.

The rules do not say:

“You may not raid PD during mayor grace”

or “Killing the mayor during grace is FailRP”

If the mayor can be killed during grace (even with respawn), then that action is still mechanically and rule-wise allowed unless explicitly prohibited.

If killing the mayor during grace is allowed but results in a respawn, then the action is still valid RP it just has a reduced consequence.

FailRP would require no valid RP reason or knowingly breaking a rule

Neither applies here.
 

I adverted a PD raid

Killing the mayor is a listed objective

Prison break was also intended but obstructed mid-raid

Mentioning multiple valid objectives throughout my sit and chat does not invalidate the raid, and grace period does not negate intent. I apologize if I caused any confusion with my chats.
My second point, 

Killing the mayor even if they respawn still impacts the server world.
It changes the situation for everyone involved (mayor has to regroup, cops have to respond, citizens react). This generates role-play, which is the whole point of PD raids.

Grace period mechanics are a gameplay layer, not a rule that negates RP actions.
Just because someone respawns doesn’t mean the act of killing them lacked RP purpose. The rules say that killing the mayor is a valid goal — not “valid only if it permanently ends their job.”

In real RP, actions don’t lose meaning just because there’s a mechanic to recover from them.
For example:

An armed robbery where you shoot the bank teller is still a robbery even if the teller respawns after a brief window.

This server’s rules treat intent and in-scene actions as the RP driver, not just mechanical permanence.
Please give me the rule that explains how the grace period negates roleplay?

"[20:31:51] Player BeeTeeth (Whiterun Guard) said !pm gmod hey i saw ur ticket and no i do not have any chat logs " Thank you for providing me with further evidence! 

 

Thats not the way it works. If mayor is on grace you can not raid him. The only reason you can pd raid to kill the mayor - is to dethrone him. That is the sole purpose of pd raiding to kill the mayor. If you can not do that, then you should not be pd raiding to kill the mayor.

Jailbreaking also does not work, but we are gonna talk to rubik about making it so jailbreaking is a viable option to pd raid while on grace. Currently hacker being able to hack through MIGHT be  development oversight- but we shall see. 


The "dupe pasting" is not valid evidence and cannot be considered. 


As long as the sit wasn't toxic or a huge hassle I can agree a verbal is more fair, since this can both be a misinterpretation and a possible development oversight.



Key notes for rubik:

1. Hacker might need patching
2. Skeleton key might need patching
3. Jaildoors need to be lockpickable 24/7 so people can actually jailbreak