gmodplayer22 warn appeal

[gmodplayer]

In-Game Name

gmodplayer22

Your Steam ID

STEAM_0:0:447101107

Why were you banned or warned?

RDM | FAIL RAID

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

Per the server MOTD and rules:

“You cannot call a PD/Bank raid for the sole purpose of killing people in the lobby/preventing access. If you raid PD/Bank you are there to kill the mayor, raid the vault/bank, or break people out of jail.”

I clearly adverted a PD raid, which is required and documented in chat logs.

I intended to kill the mayor

I intended to attempt a prison break using a blowtorch

I had no way of knowing whether the jail cells were blocked beforehand (which is exactly why blowtorches are allowed and expected)

During the raid:

Piklas (the mayor) placed a dupe mid-raid, blocking my access to the jail cells

This is visible in my provided screenshot:
https://imgur.com/a/ZE9ycvh

Despite this interference, I killed the mayor during the raid

Killing the mayor explicitly satisfies one of the three conditions that make a PD raid valid.
Being killed immediately afterward does not invalidate the raid, as the rules do not require multiple objectives to be completed—only that the raid is not solely RDM. Which it wasnt.

Therefore, labeling this raid as Fail Raid is incorrect under the MOTD itself.

The RDM Accusation Is Incorrect
The RDM warning hinges on the raid being deemed invalid.
However:

The raid was adverted

The raid objective (killing the mayor) was completed

The kill occurred during an active, valid raid

This means the kill cannot be RDM by definition.

If a PD raid is valid, then combat deaths during that raid are justified RP kills under DarkRP rules.

Rule Violations by Piklas (Not Addressed)
While mid-raid, Piklas spawned a dupe, physically blocking access to the jail area.

Per standard DarkRP rules (as outlined on TITSRP documentation):

Players may not spawn props or dupes to gain an unfair advantage during active RP situations

Mayors and defenders may not physically obstruct raid objectives using props

Interfering with RP using dupes constitutes FailRP / Prop Abuse

I called the sit specifically for this reason.

Despite this:

Tali did not review my screenshot THIS WAS INCORRECT, I APOLOGIZE TALI.

No logs were checked

Piklas was not questioned or punished HE WAS QUESTIONED BUT NOT PUNISHED, APOLOGIES AGAIN!

The sit shifted into interrogating me for RDM instead of addressing the original complaint

Staff Handling Issues
There were several procedural problems:

Evidence Ignored (NOT ENTIERLY, MY APOLOGIES)

My screenshot was not reviewed during the initial sit (FALSE, MY APOLOGIES)

Logs were not checked despite being relevant and available

Sit Purpose Was Ignored

I called the sit on Piklas

I was treated as the defendant instead of the reporting party

Private Discord VC

Piklas and BeeTeeth were allowed to speak privately during the sit

This creates a strong appearance of bias and undermines transparency

Delayed / Incomplete Review

Evidence was only partially acknowledged mid-sit

The ruling had already been effectively decided before review

Inconsistent Enforcement

If I had placed a dupe on a mayor mid-raid, I would have been warned immediately

In this case, the mayor faced no punishment while I received a permanent record warning

SLOGS & Access Issue
I was told to “contact staff for further assistance in getting slogs,” yet:

I contacted BeeTeeth, Afflicto Gaming, and multiple staff members online

I was explicitly told “no”

I was later told the staff member “did not have access”

No alternative solution or escalation was provided

This contradicts the expectation that players can rely on staff to verify events using logs.

Relevant logs to review:

12/26/2025 around 13:00:41

Chat logs where Piklas admits to placing the dupe

Kill logs showing I killed the mayor during the raid

The day prior:

Piklas falsely demoted me

A staff member had to manually reinstate my job

Piklas received no punishment

The following day:

I report Piklas for a legitimate rule violation

The sit results in me receiving a warning THIS WAS FALSE, THE SIT WAS TAKEN BY BEETEETH THEN I WAS WARNED, MY APOLOGIES!!

Piklas again faces no consequences

I respectfully request:

Removal of the RDM | Fail Raid warning

Staff review of relevant SLOGS from 12/26/2025

Clarification or revision of staff guidance regarding log access

Internal review of how this sit was handled

Consideration of Piklas’ actions during the raid

Who warned/banned you?

BeeTeeth

How long were you warned or banned for?

I was warned, it will be on my record forever.

EVIDENCE:
piklas mid raid dupe place screenshot barring me from entering the jail cells (i find it funny Tali ignored the "you are there to kill the mayor" in !Motd which is what i ended up doing and assumed because piklas blocked my entrance to somewhere mid raid that the raid was false)
https://imgur.com/a/ZE9ycvh
access the slogs of 12/26/2025 following 13:00:41 for the chat of him directly admitting it during a sit and also the evidence of him doing it
"but gmodplayer22 why cant you get your own slogs?"
because ive contacted beeteeth herself and afflicto gaming and the entire staff team of 10 members online at 12/26/2025 8:34 pm CST for assistance getting the slogs and received the answer of "she said no" with a follow up dm saying that she did not have access with no further assistance from staff when DM'd (not putting this staff member on blast assuming he has just been AFK for the past 9 hours.)
https://imgur.com/a/9mgT3MZ

• You cannot call a PD/Bank raid for the sole purpose of killing people in the lobby/preventing people from access to the lobby. If you raid PD/Bank you are there to kill the mayor, Raid the Vault/Bank or Break people out of Jail.

More evidence that he placed the dupe! https://imgur.com/a/e4icWc2
Beeteeth changes the entire fundamentals of the appeal mid appeal because she made a mistake in her wording: https://imgur.com/a/FoCeDxr

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22
Re written in a more mature manner

[BeeTeeth]

* I just changed your warn from RDM | Failraid to Failrp - killed mayor during grace period. 

* Mainly because you did admit to basically just wanting to kill the mayor, i explained to you that mayor was on grace period since you adverted pd raid shortly after piklas became mayor, so raiding would be rendered useless even if you did want to prison break. 

* I also want to mention that the clip that piklas provided showed (from his perspective) that you just wanted to run and gun and kill you, I asked you if you had any clips of some sort, you said no and instead provided a picture ( attached to the report you made ) which honestly did not help prove your innocents. 

* Your original argument is that you were raiding pd to prison break but were propblocked by piklas's dupe which happened mid raid. As the story continued you changed your story to originally wanting to kill the mayor... THEN raid the bank vault, then you said you wanted to kill mayor... So that itself did not make your side look any better. 

* Also, you asked for chat logs and claim i refused to prove them. I never said that, heres that chat log below 
[20:31:51] Player BeeTeeth (Whiterun Guard) said !pm gmod hey i saw ur ticket and no i do not have any chat logs 
this was due to a server crash btw. 

-1 to removing warn 
+1 to changing the wording instead

[gmodplayer]

The MOTD does not state that an adverted PD raid becomes “FailRP” automatically if the mayor recently changed jobs or is on a grace period, there is valid RP reasons to raid during the grace period. If it affected things that much then all events involving the PD would be cancelled as soon as a new mayor is on the job

The existence of a mayor grace period does not automatically invalidate a PD raid unless the rules explicitly state that PD raids are prohibited during that grace period.

The rules do not say:

“You may not raid PD during mayor grace”

or “Killing the mayor during grace is FailRP”

If the mayor can be killed during grace (even with respawn), then that action is still mechanically and rule-wise allowed unless explicitly prohibited.

If killing the mayor during grace is allowed but results in a respawn, then the action is still valid RP it just has a reduced consequence.

FailRP would require no valid RP reason or knowingly breaking a rule

Neither applies here.
 

I adverted a PD raid

Killing the mayor is a listed objective

Prison break was also intended but obstructed mid-raid

Mentioning multiple valid objectives throughout my sit and chat does not invalidate the raid, and grace period does not negate intent. I apologize if I caused any confusion with my chats.
My second point, 

Killing the mayor even if they respawn still impacts the server world.
It changes the situation for everyone involved (mayor has to regroup, cops have to respond, citizens react). This generates role-play, which is the whole point of PD raids.

Grace period mechanics are a gameplay layer, not a rule that negates RP actions.
Just because someone respawns doesn’t mean the act of killing them lacked RP purpose. The rules say that killing the mayor is a valid goal — not “valid only if it permanently ends their job.”

In real RP, actions don’t lose meaning just because there’s a mechanic to recover from them.
For example:

An armed robbery where you shoot the bank teller is still a robbery even if the teller respawns after a brief window.

This server’s rules treat intent and in-scene actions as the RP driver, not just mechanical permanence.
Please give me the rule that explains how the grace period negates roleplay?

"[20:31:51] Player BeeTeeth (Whiterun Guard) said !pm gmod hey i saw ur ticket and no i do not have any chat logs " Thank you for providing me with further evidence! 

 

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22

[tali]

Hey Gmod,

 

I wanted to clarify what occurred during the sit involving the dupe Piklas placed mid raid.

 

You stated that I did not review your evidence and immediately began questioning you about RDM, but that is not what happened. As soon as I teleported Piklas, my first question was: “Why did you place a dupe mid-raid?” Piklas explained that he had placed it without realizing you were raiding and removed it almost immediately once it was pointed out. You acknowledged this at the time as well.

The dupe was only placed for a very short period (under 10 seconds) and was removed as soon as the raid was recognized, which is why I treated it as an honest mistake rather than something that significantly impacted the raid. Can I also state you made the sit during the raid and not after like you claimed. Piklas was still mayor during our sit and you claimed that you would just end your sit as your intention for raiding PD was to break people out of jail. 

 

I’m not sure where the impression came from that I ignored your evidence or shifted the sit toward RDM questioning. You've made many claims about the sit which are simply false, your screenshots don't tell the full story. Unfortunately at the time I did not have Medal open, so I don’t have a recording from my side.  If you have any other evidence backing up your claims, please provide them.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2025 by Tali

[gmodplayer]

Beeteeth said: "Your original argument is that you were raiding pd to prison break but were propblocked by piklas's dupe which happened mid raid. As the story continued you changed your story to originally wanting to kill the mayor... THEN raid the bank vault, then you said you wanted to kill mayor... So that itself did not make your side look any better. "
 

At no point did my story “change.”
What happened is that I explained multiple valid raid objectives, all of which are explicitly allowed by the MOTD.

The MOTD does not require a PD raid to have one single fixed objective, nor does it say that stating additional valid objectives retroactively invalidates the raid.

Per the MOTD:

“If you raid PD/Bank you are there to kill the mayor, raid the vault/bank, or break people out of jail.”

These are not mutually exclusive objectives.

Saying:

• I intended to prison break

• I intended to kill the mayor

• I intended to raid the vault

is not a contradiction — it is listing allowed options, not revising events.

I was repeatedly pressed during the sit to explain why I was in PD.
Each time I answered honestly and within the scope of the rules.

Framing that as “changing my story” places me in an impossible position:

• If I only mention one objective, I’m accused of hiding intent

• If I explain multiple valid objectives, I’m accused of inconsistency

That is not a fair standard to apply to a player defending themselves in a sit.

My actions remained consistent:

• I adverted a PD raid

• I entered PD

• I engaged the mayor

• I attempted to progress further before being killed

Those actions align with at least one valid PD raid objective regardless of which one is emphasized afterward.

Intent does not change based on which rule-permitted objective is discussed later.

"Piklas explained that he had placed it without realizing you were raiding and removed it almost immediately once it was pointed out. You acknowledged this at the time as well."
Tali just provided the evidence that piklas committed the action that broke !motd.
And also proved that i adverted raid accordingly.

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, Tali said:

Hey Gmod,

 

I wanted to clarify what occurred during the sit involving the dupe Piklas placed mid raid.

 

You stated that I did not review your evidence and immediately began questioning you about RDM, but that is not what happened. As soon as I teleported Piklas, my first question was: “Why did you place a dupe mid-raid?” Piklas explained that he had placed it without realizing you were raiding and removed it almost immediately once it was pointed out. You acknowledged this at the time as well.

The dupe was only placed for a very short period (under 10 seconds) and was removed as soon as the raid was recognized, which is why I treated it as an honest mistake rather than something that significantly impacted the raid. Can I also state you made the sit during the raid and not after like you claimed. Piklas was still mayor during our sit and you claimed that you would just end your sit as your intention for raiding PD was to break people out of jail. 

 

I’m not sure where the impression came from that I ignored your evidence or shifted the sit toward RDM questioning. You've made many claims about the sit which are simply false, your screenshots don't tell the full story. Unfortunately at the time I did not have Medal open, so I don’t have a recording from my side.  If you have any other evidence backing up your claims, please provide them.

 

 

The dupe placement was not irrelevant simply because it was “short”

Whether the dupe was placed for 10 seconds or 10 minutes is not the deciding factor.
The issue is that a dupe was placed mid-raid, physically blocking progression during an active RP situation.

Even a brief prop or dupe placement can: Alter the outcome of a raid, prevent access to objectives, and force the raider into a different engagement path

That is why prop/dupe placement during active RP is generally treated strictly. The impact is situational, not time-based. I raised this because it directly affected my ability to proceed toward the jail.

“He didn’t realize you were raiding” is not verifiable

I did advert the PD raid. 
From my perspective, a dupe appeared after the raid began and before I could proceed further.

Intent aside, the effect of the dupe on the raid still existed, which is why I called the sit.

 Acknowledging removal does not mean I was acknowledging no impact

I acknowledged that the dupe was removed.
That does not mean I agreed it had no impact or that it was irrelevant.

Acknowledging removal should not be taken as conceding that the dupe did not obstruct the raid or contribute to how events unfolded afterward.

 The sit focus shifted away from the original report

I called the sit about mid-raid dupe placement.
Very early into the sit, questioning focused on:

My raid intent

Whether the raid was justified

Whether the kill was RDM

That shift matters, because it reframed me as the defendant rather than the reporting party, before the original issue was fully resolved with logs or evidence.

Even if you believe the dupe was accidental, that conclusion should come after evidence review, not before.

 Multiple valid objectives does not invalidate intent

You mention that during the sit I said I would end it because my intent was to break people out of jail. That statement is not inconsistent with anything else I said.

My intent throughout was:

A PD raid

With valid objectives allowed by the MOTD

Explaining intent under questioning is not “changing a story.” It was answering staff questions as they were asked.

6. Evidence limitations go both ways

You note that my screenshots “don’t tell the full story,” which is fair, however you have no clip of the sit, no logs have been presented from that time and the ruling relied on your and piklas interpratation on the rules. In these cases, evidence matter and you shouldn't just escalate to a warning that permanently effects my record or dismissing my claims outright!

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22

[gmodplayer]

2 hours ago, BeeTeeth said:

* I just changed your warn from RDM | Failraid to Failrp - killed mayor during grace period. 

* Mainly because you did admit to basically just wanting to kill the mayor, i explained to you that mayor was on grace period since you adverted pd raid shortly after piklas became mayor, so raiding would be rendered useless even if you did want to prison break. 

* I also want to mention that the clip that piklas provided showed (from his perspective) that you just wanted to run and gun and kill you, I asked you if you had any clips of some sort, you said no and instead provided a picture ( attached to the report you made ) which honestly did not help prove your innocents. 

* Your original argument is that you were raiding pd to prison break but were propblocked by piklas's dupe which happened mid raid. As the story continued you changed your story to originally wanting to kill the mayor... THEN raid the bank vault, then you said you wanted to kill mayor... So that itself did not make your side look any better. 

* Also, you asked for chat logs and claim i refused to prove them. I never said that, heres that chat log below 
[20:31:51] Player BeeTeeth (Whiterun Guard) said !pm gmod hey i saw ur ticket and no i do not have any chat logs 
this was due to a server crash btw. 

-1 to removing warn 
+1 to changing the wording instead

Excuse me?
Please do not retroactively alter the stated reason of an active warning while it is under appeal.

Changing the warning from “RDM | Fail Raid” to “FailRP – killed mayor during grace period” after the appeal has already begun fundamentally alters what I am defending against and makes it appear as if I misunderstood the original ruling — which I did not.

That alone is inappropriate. Appeals are meant to review an existing punishment, not rewrite it mid-process.
https://imgur.com/a/FoCeDxr

[1-800-Suicide]

Hello I would like to dispel some rumors that this guy is trying to start.
The situation a day prior was me firing the guy for warranting someone with the reason "suspicious".

 

 

This is the first sentence he said during the sit.

He later changed this to say that he was trying to kill the mayor and raid the vault, crucially only in a 2nd sit and after I had posted the rule, his initial telling is that he was raiding through the vents and prison breaking, which is a lie. Both of these reasons are also invalid due to 1. I was in my grace timer so that reading of the rule is intentionally being misread in my opinion as it pretty obviously pretains to dethroning the mayor, not just killing him to waste the grace timer. 2. because the pd vault was not raidable at the time and the sign above pd, where he entered said so.

 

 

The only concievable reason he had to be in there was to prison break someone, which would also be impossible because there were no arrested players at the time and also the grace timer would have prevented him from breaking any door to conduct said prison break.

 

 

I have streamed my evidence to beeteeth and despite what gmodplayer is saying I did tell them both to add me in order to stream the evidence I had. It showed that gmodplayer entered through the main door (unlike what he told tali) and also showed gmodplayer yelling verbatim "I love murdering cops" lending credence to him raiding only to kill cops and waste my grace timer. After the yelling at the mayors office he ran into the security specialists room and I relocked the doors, waited for gmodplayer to leave as I thought it was clear that the grace timer was active and he could do nothing inside the pd of value. after a few seconds I place my dupe and start doing some mayor duties, I timed my dupe being down for 16 seconds before I saw his chat message, I removed my dupe and explained calmly that I was in my grace timer. In this same moment gmodplayer runs into the mayors office as a cop had unlocked the doors (which cannot be broken) and he killed me. If we assume that the time when my dupe was down was when his screenshot was taken there is no possible way that gmodplayer ever even entered the jail. 

I am unable to upload it currently but maybe am able to later on.

I believe BeeTeeth can confirm that this is what she saw in the video that I streamed.

Key points:

• Not one person was arrested. The jail doors couldn't even be broken
• The pd vault was not raidable and the doors were locked as well
• I was in my grace timer so killing me serves no purpose other than to troll/minge by holding pd hostage for the duration of the grace timer.
• He literally yelled "I love murdering cops"

 

This was from my perspective a false raid which only had the purpose of maliciously robbing the mayor of valuable grace time and to have "legal rdm" while not actually trying to achieve anything in the pd raid. I had initially asked for a verbal warning from tali, but once I double checked my video and confirmed that gmodplayer was lying, I pushed for a full warning with a 2nd sit.

 

[gmodplayer]

misinterpreting raid conditions does not automatically equal malicious intent. A mistake in judgment should not be escalated into intentional trolling without clear proof, even so killing the mayor is still a valid RP reason to raid which I had done.
Describing a prison break does not prove intent to grief; it reflects a player recounting what they were attempting within their understanding of the situation.

What occurred was:

• Initial explanation of actions

• Later clarification of intent

• Ongoing rule interpretation disagreement

This does not meet the standard for lying, intentional misrepresentation, or malicious behavior should not be used to justify a harsher punishment.
"it was prison break through vents" is just me explaining a condition in which I could raid which I was attempting to complete before I was killed. Any mentions of a PD vault were me mixing up a vault raid v/s prison break and I apologize for such. 
My second point,
SEE OTHER POSTS FOR MORE DETAILS 

The mayor grace period is being interpreted too strictly in the original complaint:

• The rule protects against dethroning the mayor and certain raids, but it does not universally prohibit all interaction or killing in PD. Hence why the rule says "If you raid PD/Bank you are there to kill the mayor, Raid the Vault/Bank or Break people out of Jail." and not "Dethrone the mayor", I already established how killing the mayor on grace period has valid roleplay consequences.
   

Edited December 27, 2025 by gmodplayer22
grammar errors and more stuff

[tali]

So with Piklas's response here I learned some things I didn't know. Doors cannot be breached / lockpicked during a mayors grace. Meaning the only way you could've got in was with a cop letting you in. Which is obviously not allowed. I do believe Piklas was right in the sit that I took with saying I should've given you a verbal for it. At the time I didn't know these things so I didn't act on it. The only thing you could've raided PD for would have been to kill. But with more evidence coming out and me just learning more about all what happens when a mayor is fresh in office, I do think that your warn of a Fail Raid is correct.

Edited December 27, 2025 by Tali
spelling errors bc i'm on my phone