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[Wilhelm Panderino]

Your In-Game Name:

John DarkRP

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:98564408

Who are you reporting?:

Hex STEAM_0:1:67970096

Why are you reporting this player?:

NLR/ building during raid on my base

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

Hex had one of us as a stalk target so they placed a bomb on our base, only issue is they used a prop to raise it off the ground so it would be closer to my props. Hex claimed they were not breaking any rules

5 minutes later they then came back and placed another bomb near or on my base which killed my base member effectively breaking NLR.
Leonard Finkus was on my doors and in the party
 https://ibb.co/fHFHTK2 shows death times on Hex from myself and Leonard.
https://streamable.com/lbywha Building during a raid
https://streamable.com/pzvme4 NLR break from base members perspective

I called a sit in game, wasnt claimed, Called a second one a couple minutes later, same deal. After the NLR took place i then placed another one with updated info and Frisco claimed it and denied it with reason 'stop spamming admin chat'. I said in OOC that the report was different and his response was 'gonna cry'? Pretty unprofessional if you ask me. I'm not sure if he lacked the capability to read but the report wasnt even the same and i waited multiple minutes between. There were 8 staff members online at the time.

 

Edited August 12, 2024 by Wilhelm Panderino

[Tene]

maybe im retarded but the shows death times screenshots isnt showing the full logs, might just be a me thing

13 hours ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

Hex had one of us as a stalk target so they placed a bomb on our base, only issue is they used a prop to raise it off the ground so it would be closer to my props. Hex claimed they were not breaking any rules

As for the prop, that is definitely not allowed, spawning your own prop to assist you in any way in the raid is against the rules.

This applies to both defender and raider, and Hex using a prop to add height to their timebomb/c4's radius is just definitely breaking this rule, I'm not sure where Hex assumes this is allowed, maybe because they're doing it outside of the base and aren't the defender? Either way seems quite common sense not to spawn your own props during a raid, especially for an advantage in that raid (repasting your dupe thats across the other side of the map to let someone in is fine, spawning props at or near the raid area / delibaretely impacting the raid is quite obviously not)

 

 

13 hours ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

5 minutes later they then came back and placed another bomb near or on my base which killed my base member effectively breaking NLR.

This includes in raids (they cant take anything though they can only do it to fulfil their job function, anyone raiding with them also abides by this).

Pretty sure master stalker keeps their target until they kill or die to their target, so it would make sense if this was the case and was raiding again as he was stalking someone else in the base that he had not died from (so he kept him as the target), thus it would not be NLR as it was for purpose of his master stalker role.



+1 for warn for failrp - building during raid

Edited August 12, 2024 by Tene
wrong screenshot oops

[Hex_]

19 hours ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

Hex had one of us as a stalk target so they placed a bomb on our base, only issue is they used a prop to raise it off the ground so it would be closer to my props. Hex claimed they were not breaking any rules

Honestly forgot about the prop thing and I'll tank a warn for that but the rest of what you said is not true. As Tene said, I'm allowed to break NLR for my stalk target. If I had died to my target then I could not have come back regardless because my class can't raid to raid, only for the target. 

[Joey Skylynx]

Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing as Tene with the one image that supposedly has the death times. If possible could you check to see if you have the image still available, and if not, the most that can be done would be a warn for FailRP - Building during Raid.

[Wilhelm Panderino]

On 8/12/2024 at 9:31 AM, Tene said:

maybe im retarded but the shows death times screenshots isnt showing the full logs, might just be a me thing

As for the prop, that is definitely not allowed, spawning your own prop to assist you in any way in the raid is against the rules.

This applies to both defender and raider, and Hex using a prop to add height to their timebomb/c4's radius is just definitely breaking this rule, I'm not sure where Hex assumes this is allowed, maybe because they're doing it outside of the base and aren't the defender? Either way seems quite common sense not to spawn your own props during a raid, especially for an advantage in that raid (repasting your dupe thats across the other side of the map to let someone in is fine, spawning props at or near the raid area / delibaretely impacting the raid is quite obviously not)

 

 

This includes in raids (they cant take anything though they can only do it to fulfil their job function, anyone raiding with them also abides by this).

Pretty sure master stalker keeps their target until they kill or die to their target, so it would make sense if this was the case and was raiding again as he was stalking someone else in the base that he had not died from (so he kept him as the target), thus it would not be NLR as it was for purpose of his master stalker role.



+1 for warn for failrp - building during raid

disagree. under this logic a bounty hunter can raid someones base over and over as long as they have them as a target. A raid is a raid. Hex should have waited 20 minutes

But no, if you die as a stalker after 3 minutes of not killing your target, you get a new target.

Edited August 14, 2024 by Wilhelm Panderino

[Tene]

10 hours ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

disagree. under this logic a bounty hunter can raid someones base over and over as long as they have them as a target. A raid is a raid. Hex should have waited 20 minutes

except its 2 seperate things with 1 explicitly stating in the rules that the job can nlr on their target,  that same rule does not apply to bounty hunter. the job function part is me adding onto it so that people dont take what i say and abuse it as if they can perma raid on master stalker for ents (they can only raid for that jobs function)

 

 

10 hours ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

But no, if you die as a stalker after 3 minutes of not killing your target, you get a new target.

yeah if you die after 3 minutes of not killing the target, Hex died to someone, then 5 minutes later came back and tried to raid again, not sure if theres any proof in your report of their death logs showing that they died 3 minutes after you killed them (changing their target) before going back to your base, but theres also just no proof that hex did or didnt have a target inside of the base, so punishing for NLR just isnt really possible here, but the FailRP is.
 

Edited August 14, 2024 by Tene

[Hex_]

22 hours ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

disagree. under this logic a bounty hunter can raid someones base over and over as long as they have them as a target. A raid is a raid. Hex should have waited 20 minutes

But no, if you die as a stalker after 3 minutes of not killing your target, you get a new target.

I literally still had the same target. I had only been like a minute after I got your base mate as a target and was kinda looking at the property to figure out my best course of action to sneak in. Tried to be undetected but once I found no way to do so, I went the explosive route. I DID make the mistake of placing a prop to raise it, I was not 100% sober at the time and admit I screwed that whole shabang up, shit happens and I take full responsibility for that rulebreak. 

 

However, the rule states that a Master Stalker can break NLR for their target. You killing me did NOT reset my target because the 3 minute timer for my target had not yet happened. I returned to continue my attempt, and that's when I was RDMed by Leonard Finkus, causing my target to change as by THAT time, it had changed and I could no longer return regardless because I no longer had a target in that building.

 

Also, I've absolutely had bounty hunters hunt me again and again at the same spot. Figured the same rules applied but if not, a certain somebody I know is in deep shit.

[LeGerbs]

Hex will be warned for failRP building while raiding. He will not however be warned for NLR.

 

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