appeal for a bad mod

[Ironfish1]

32 minutes ago, GoatNuts said:

Hey i think you are getting the wrong definition of raiding, by extension shouldn't this mean that entering a building or public base without the owners consent as any job would warrant a warn for FailRP (Raiding a building)?

 

Activities that DO start a raid are shooting inside the base, lockpicking doors, blowtorching away props, setting up C4s, etcetera, i did not see any of those actions being performed by this player

That is a direct quote from the rules, one word I will point you towards is "trespassing". So for public bases or gun store bases, they intend for you to enter, therefore you would not be trespassing. In this case you can see wilhelm go inside the base not even 2 seconds after the doors were bought. So he was indeed trespassing, otherwise known as raiding.

Edited January 23, 2024 by Ironfish1

[Guest]

3 hours ago, GoatNuts said:

oh yeah, if it was just one minute i wouldnt say that this user has been hogging the job for himself

 

all in all i am +1 for reduction to warn (False Demote), since it doesnt look to me like you were raiding that guy

After having a friendly discussion with the banning staff member and seeing the video evidence of the sit that insued i have come to the conclusion that

 

- Even if trespassing is "technically raiding", i dont believe that we should warn/ban everyone who trespasses into someones base without their permisson, but being told about the rule that he technically broke, Wilhem has stated that he was well aware of that rule he has broken, which to me it sounds like you wanted to have that punishment added to your ban

 

- Wilhem was actively non-compliant in the sit, calling the banning staff member things and even in one point calling him retard

 

- Staff members are free to choose any ban length they want, given that it does not surpasses the maximum possible time for X offense

 

- You were let off pretty easy by being banned for three minutes instead of being warned, which do stack and by your 25th ban you could've gotten two weeks off regardless of what rule got you warned and subsequently banned

 

- One of the main reason as to why the banning staff member is hesitant to take the "false raiding" part of your ban is because editing bans are very tedious, needing to reban the player while they are offline for 1 minute and then waiting for them to log in to remove the previous ban

 

in my opinion i do believe that reducing it to a warn would do more harm than good, so imma gonna go with -1 for any sort of reduction, but +1 for renaming the ban reason to "False Demote | FTC" if Wilhem would be willing to get offline banned for 1 minute and then being told to hop in so his previous ban could be removed from his history

Edited January 23, 2024 by Guest

[Wilhelm Panderino]

Its not my fault the staff member was being retarded. I call it as i see it.  The reason i say this is, anyone with half a brain cell could see that i wasnt raiding the base regardless of what the MOTD says AND  the  fact that the demote did NOT go through. This player was not demoted. Therefore i never false demoted anyone. I would like this ban removed from my record.

One other thing, last night, i had 19 players enter my base as non raidable classes. I was wondering if i should report these players with steamIDs on a single report or make 19 separate reports. Thanks. 



-Buttfucker3000

Edited January 23, 2024 by Wilhelm Panderino

[Wilhelm Panderino]

12 hours ago, GoatNuts said:

From the evidence provided it doesnt seem like you tried to raid the suppliers base since you were  not aggressive towards him

 

Suppliers are not obligated to sell guns either but at the same time you should not hog a very needed job for hours on end just for the purpose of having it for yourself

 

For how long did the supplier have his job?

disagree. The supplier has only 1 slot for a player to become and has specific weapons only the supplier has access to. Black market and gun dealer are limited on the guns they can sell. Suppler is the only job that had the items i needed. Just because it doesnt say he has to sell in job description doesn't mean thats what his job is for. 

[Wilhelm Panderino]

8 hours ago, GoatNuts said:

Wilhem was actively non-compliant in the sit, calling the banning staff member things and even in one point calling him retard

proof? non compliant? what does that even mean? Because i was arguing my side im not compliant? This is why players think staff are a joke. Because they are.

[Nipple Farm]

40 minutes ago, Wilhelm Panderino said:

The supplier has only 1 slot for a player to become

You can always bypass the limit with 10 sugar.

[Wilhelm Panderino]

33 minutes ago, Nipple Farm said:

You can always bypass the limit with 10 sugar.

irrelevant. 

[Wilhelm Panderino]

30 seconds prior. Since it was claimed i was following him around https://streamable.com/rehrqg

 

the sit since it was claimed i was non compliant. Staff love to make shit up to fit their narrative. https://streamable.com/m6v5t1

 

[Wilhelm Panderino]

10 hours ago, GoatNuts said:

in my opinion i do believe that reducing it to a warn would do more harm than good, so imma gonna go with -1 for any sort of reduction, but +1 for renaming the ban reason to "False Demote | FTC" if Wilhem would be willing to get offline banned for 1 minute and then being told to hop in so his previous ban could be removed from his history

FTC? How was this FTC? I think youre just as bad as ironfish. You do not know the rules and have been here how long? You accused me of rdm for killing you while you were kidnapping because you didnt hit me. Not only that, ive never seen someone get warned for an unsuccessful demote. No victim here.

[Lean]

I don't know why people are supporting this. Me personally I think the ban needs removed and no warning needs to be given out. He felt this guy wasnt performing his job duties. As someone posted the job description is to set up a gun stand or self supply. As it isnt his duty but if he sets up a shop for people to buy guns and doesnt attempt a rp I feel he has every right to try a demotion. Its like a juggernaut sitting somewhere fishing and not arresting people. The job description is that he has a heavy set of armor and is a tank. It doesnt say that he has to arrest people but if someone is taking up a job spot and not rping as a cop should, which is arrest people then he should be fit for a demote vote. I do believe that someone can be warned for a false vote even if it doesnt go through depending on the situation. For example if someone demotes a player or the mayor in that fact with unfun for a not just rp reason. In extreme cases it should be a warn, no harm was done and if you think that you shouldnt be able to enter a base as a citizen because its considered a raid then we need to repent. We obviously need a rule change clarifying that trespassing doesnt count as a raid, but trespassing is kos. I think this gun dealer had every right to kill this guy for trespassing, but maybe didnt do it in good rp every job should have the right to refuse services and not be demoted for it. But im +1 for a ban removal and no warning, also a request from ironfish that we dont ban people for 3 minutes and we just need a rule change to clarify that trespassing is not raiding.