Report on Hyder

[Quas]

Your In-Game Name:

Jared Polenko

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:419352872

Who are you reporting?:

Hyder

Why are you reporting this player?:

FailRP, RDM baiting

I have talked about most of this on my warn appeal, but its a new post so I gotta say the whole piece: Hyder raided my friends base as CP with out a warrant or cause, I killed him (it turned out to be RDM, it happens), and I was brought to a sit and promptly warned. Later I made an appeal, and on that appeal dev posted Hyders POV as evidence for his side, and upon examination, I noticed that Hyder played a fire alarm on our boombox, hid in the back room for an extended period of time, and made no effort to apprehend me. ??? In the clip, there is no clear purpose as to why he is inside of the base. Dev claimed the lootbox was illegal which was probable cause to raid, but after confirming with Coconut, as well as some other community members, Lootboxes are NOT illegal (Despite what the closing post said on my appeal), not to mention he entirely disregarded the lootbox as well as ME when I came in wielding a gun, as a weapon modifier, with a bounty, and my back turned from him. He was completely emptyhanded the entire time he was inside of my base until the very end, when he pulled out his cuffs very briefly, switches to his weapon checker when I have a gun out, and doesnt even check me for weapons. This just seems like very mingy behavior to me, what could have possibly happened? He wasnt lagging, he made no attempt to move out of harms way, and he was clearly attentive and not panicked seeing how he opened his chat to report me literally within 1 second of dying.

Hyder objectively FailRPed which is very clear in the clip, and to me his RDM baiting is very clear. Thanks

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Quas
The original poster deleted the clip, updated it with working new clip

[Jewann]

+1 and my bad for being late to the other post. I don't think you should have been warned either. From your perspective, he 100% could have came up from sewers and you didnt know he was hiding behind the door. Also, he has no rp reason to be hiding behind the door besides trying to get you punished by staff. If hyder enters your base because of the lootbox (already confirmed by other staff thats his only valid reason for entering), that should be his purpose there. He should not ignore that lootbox, and try to hide inside of your base. Imo, fucking with a boombox is 100% FailRP if you are a cp (obv isnt if u are not). Since you can kill someone for fucking with your boombox, it would not be in the spirit of upholding the law to fuck with peoples boombox as a cop. But saying you RDMed when from your perspective, you shot someone who walked through the door in a base you were in before them is crazy. I think this should be a verbal at worst for you, for very technically being against the rules in a way you could have no idea about (I might be too late to get that overturned though). And should definitely be at least a verbal, probably a warn for Hyder for FailRP, and baiting you into staff punishment with no RP purpose.

A question to all the staff who -1ed the warn appeal,

 

Why are we okay with warning a player who is clearly visibly confused in the clip provided?

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Jewann
question for staff

[Smelly]

I’m glad to see Jewanns response and realize I wasn’t the only one who saw these points. How would you have know he didn’t come from sewer, making you in the base at the start of the raid?

 

I thought I was losing my mind on the last appeal and wanted to have some time to sift through the videos and evidence to see if I was missing something but it was closed before I got around to it due to work.

 

I’m not sure where the loot box being illegal came into play. The only thing I’ve ever seen as far as loot boxes go is not opening them in sitland and not opening them in bases with a building sign. If lootboxes are illegal, why wouldn’t bitcoin miners also be illegal?

 

Maybe I’m missing something somewhere and I don’t know the rules as thoroughly as I thought? I don’t know.

 

I also find it incredibly interesting how in basically the same frame of dying, a sit was instantly called as if he knew he was baiting you into a kill. There is a lot of muck in this whole situation and unfortunately it comes into a chess match of who knows what rules better and who can articulate better which it shouldn’t ever come down to.

 

I’m sorry your appeal got denied and I do think it was incorrect, however I want to jump on this post now before I forget to reply again as I did the appeal.

 

+1 for warn

Edited December 6, 2023 by Smelly

[Jewann]

1 hour ago, ASH (2) said:

If i could plus one I would. Quas clearly was doing what any player would if they saw an unwanted cop or let alone Hyder in their base.

Despite the jab at Hyder, I 100% agree. I actually think 100% of players would kill Hyder here, and our rules don't exist to punish people for doing things that make sense.

[AflictoGaming]

On 12/6/2023 at 1:19 AM, Smelly said:

I’m glad to see Jewanns response and realize I wasn’t the only one who saw these points. How would you have know he didn’t come from sewer, making you in the base at the start of the raid?

 

I thought I was losing my mind on the last appeal and wanted to have some time to sift through the videos and evidence to see if I was missing something but it was closed before I got around to it due to work.

 

I’m not sure where the loot box being illegal came into play. The only thing I’ve ever seen as far as loot boxes go is not opening them in sitland and not opening them in bases with a building sign. If lootboxes are illegal, why wouldn’t bitcoin miners also be illegal?

 

Maybe I’m missing something somewhere and I don’t know the rules as thoroughly as I thought? I don’t know.

 

I also find it incredibly interesting how in basically the same frame of dying, a sit was instantly called as if he knew he was baiting you into a kill. There is a lot of muck in this whole situation and unfortunately it comes into a chess match of who knows what rules better and who can articulate better which it shouldn’t ever come down to.

 

I’m sorry your appeal got denied and I do think it was incorrect, however I want to jump on this post now before I forget to reply again as I did the appeal.

 

+1 for punishment. 

Ima agree with everything smelly has said here. He def did break some rules here and it’s surprising he didn’t get in trouble for the rule break. I’m +1 for verbal

Edited December 7, 2023 by AflictoGaming

[Developer]

Thank you for this Report.

 

After clearing things up with Coconut earlier today and getting more insight on this situation, you are correct here. I do believe that this should've been handled in-game, either with a /demote or a sit for a CP Ban. I will clarify that he made no attempt to move out of harms way or panic, because he was not expecting a player not on doors to gun him down.

 

I will be a +1 for a Verbal Warning for FailRP. 

[Quas]

4 hours ago, Developer said:

Thank you for this Report.

 

After clearing things up with Coconut earlier today and getting more insight on this situation, you are correct here. I do believe that this should've been handled in-game, either with a /demote or a sit for a CP Ban. I will clarify that he made no attempt to move out of harms way or panic, because he was not expecting a player not on doors to gun him down.

 

I will be a +1 for a Verbal Warning for FailRP. 

Hey there @Developercouldnt help but notice you didnt touch on any of my points that claim RDM baiting, which I think is more damning then FailRP. Would you mind addressing this to insure your due diligence? 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Quas

[Ironfish1]

     Hello Quas, I'm going to be a +1 for a Verbal Warning for FailRP. I don't see any form of RDM baiting here, Hyder was in the base and had knowledge you were not on the doors. I feel he was just as confused as you were when both of you saw eachother. He FailRP'd by fail raiding a base as CP, if there is a genuine issue with him standing still trying to figure out why some random just walked into a base where he wasn't on doors, then that speaks for itself.

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

Edited December 6, 2023 by Ironfish1

[Jewann]

I 100% think both punishments should be the same. with no failRP, there is no RDM, so it doesnt make sense to verbal for FailRP when that is what caused the RDM to be possible. I think if this is accepted, it should either be a full warn for Hyder, or Quas should have his RDM warn removed. The RDM was on somebody who had no reason to be there, just like Quas "had no reason to kill" because he wasnt on doors

 

FailRP incited RDM, so it should receive an equal punishment

[Crabroll]

After reviewing the video, Hyder had 0 reason to be playing hide and seek in someone's base after A) seeing there is no illegal entities in the base, B) the base was basically empty, C) messing with the base owners boombox lol as a Cop. That would be Failrp. 

 

I also wouldn't fault the player for killing hyder as well because Hyder A) is loitering/tresspassing in the party members base. (I would have liked to see the party defend bind BEFORE ATTACKING but im MEH about it because of the following reasons). Hyder also approached the party member with cuffs and attempted to weapon check. As per below, I see Hyder had attempted two hostile actions towards the person which in my eyes (plus the fact Hyder was in someone's base) as enough justification for anyone to blast him.

 

 

"Having a firearm without a license: If you are searched and possess a weapon without a license you can be arrested. Police may randomly search you if they have reason to believe you possess an unlicensed weapon, but it is a hostile action and you may fight back." 

 

WIth this new clip, I would reconsider the last decision of the other forum post. I dont remember seeing this clip on that last post and this maybe wouldve resulted in another decision. 

 

In terms of decision, Im +1 for verbal to Hyder for Failrp, I wouldnt call it rdm baiting or kill baiting. If he was trying to kill bait, he couldve just stood or walked around the open base and made no actions. 

 

This being a report, thats all ill say in terms of that. 

 

IF this was a warn appeal/ reopening of an appeal of another forum post, I would say the rdm warn (could) be removed.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Crabroll