Report on Yahya for rule break

[Lean]

Your In-Game Name:

Lean

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:213886438

Who are you reporting?:

Yahya

Why are you reporting this player?:

So I logged on and seen a advert that theres a maxwell in pd and thought well lucky me. I enter pd yahya says maxwell in 15 seconds I wait he adverts Maxwell now and then adverts pd raid and kills everyone inside with a sbc cannon suiciding in the process. Now under rule section of thief rules it states " You cannot call a PD raid for the sole purpose of killing people in the lobby/preventing people from access to the lobby. If you PD raid you are there to kill the Mayor, raid the vault, or break people out of jail". Now he claims to have been trying to go to the bank but this is obviously false with him adverting maxwell in pd and running in and suiciding with a sbc cannon.

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

Relevant Info:

https://gyazo.com/089e4c4fbd66a09cfd051a9cff8e0a17 (maxwell advert along with pd raid advert)

https://gyazo.com/87cd4ca34166b8dd7c40f6e6165ef3e3 (his reasoning for killing everyone) (Clearly there was not attempt to raid the bank)

https://streamable.com/qw4efb (video of him storming the pd just to kill us)

[Ironfish1]

      Hello Lean! While I can sympathize with you not getting juicy maxwell xp, there is the fact that this report is completely based in intent. In your evidence there is proof of Yahya explaining that there were too many of you and it blocked him from getting into the vault. The issue I see with this is if Yahya didn't die when he started the raid it would not have been an issue. So is a PD raid only a PD raid if it is successful? After speaking to Yahya he said that he adverted PD in maxwell to get more people in there. His thought process was "more people for me to use as human shields". He goes on to explain that he had armor, health food, and the second life gang perk but none of it worked out(link). I personally believe that it's too hard to argue intent. With how you view it, he came in to murder a bunch of people then dip. From his point of view he was attempting an actual raid. We can sit here for the next week and get nowhere, you will see it how you do, and he will see it how he does. Do I think that he could have gone about the raid in a different way? Yes, absolutely. But where is the fun in that, can we put someone down for attempting to explore different avenues when it comes to raiding? Or should we just go with the meta, and put down anyone trying to find new paths to explore when it comes to raiding. Due to these reasonings I am a -1 for any punishment but a +1 for a light talking to in terms of how to PD Raid and considering how players will view his intent in the future. 

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

[Lean]

Just now, Ironfish1 said:

      Hello Lean! While I can sympathize with you not getting juicy maxwell xp, there is the fact that this report is completely based in intent. In your evidence there is proof of Yahya explaining that there were too many of you and it blocked him from getting into the vault. The issue I see with this is if Yahya didn't die when he started the raid it would not have been an issue. So is a PD raid only a PD raid if it is successful? After speaking to Yahya he said that he adverted PD in maxwell to get more people in there. His thought process was "more people for me to use as human shields". He goes on to explain that he had armor, health food, and the second life gang perk but none of it worked out(link). I personally believe that it's too hard to argue intent. With how you view it, he came in to murder a bunch of people then dip. From his point of view he was attempting an actual raid. We can sit here for the next week and get nowhere, you will see it how you do, and he will see it how he does. Do I think that he could have gone about the raid in a different way? Yes, absolutely. But where is the fun in that, can we put someone down for attempting to explore different avenues when it comes to raiding? Or should we just go with the meta, and put down anyone trying to find new paths to explore when it comes to raiding. Due to these reasonings I am a -1 for any punishment but a +1 for a light talking to in terms of how to PD Raid and considering how players will view his intent in the future. 

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

I definitely agree this just requires a talking to not happen again but as far as him attempting a real raid and using people as meat shields is bogus. No-one gathers people in a pd by adverting Maxwell for meatshields the only reason to gather people in pd and pd raid is to kill them, however I am ok with a talking to. Thank you for your time and response

 

 

Best Regards,

Lean

[{GN} Isaac]

Asked staff member to show me where yahya was in pd. He was right inside of pd yahya knows how the sbc cannon works why would he get so close when clearly that would have killed him. Very clear what his intentions were. 

I'm in support of some type of punishment 

Edited September 21, 2023 by {GN} Isaac

[Yahya]

Hey y'all, Yahya* here. 

Sorry Lean I understand your frustration but please know that I had no malicious intent when raiding the PD. I was legit trying to get shipments of weapons to enchant in the vault. And I thought of a strat for my raid instead of going in and die in 2 seconds because of how many cops there were in the PD even before the maxwell advert. Now let's talk about it, the maxwell advert:   My plan with that advert was to gather people to use as human shields so I could take down the cops and continue to the vault. It sounded better in my head not gonna lie but it seems that this plan was a failure since the infamous damage cap of the sbc didn't occur for this instance. 

 

7 minutes ago, {GN} Isaac said:

Asked staff member to show me where yahyah was in pd. He was right inside of pd yahyah knows how the sbc cannon works why would he get so close when clearly that would have killed him. Very clear what his intentions were. 

I'm in support of some type of punishment 

Because, yes, Isaac, I do know how the cannon works and 70% (made up number but think of a big number) of the time a direct hit barely kills you since the damage cap update (thanks devs for ruining the canon) that's why i pulled up with armor, food and everything to resist the impact and take down the cops as you can see in the dm Ironfish1 showed. 

 

 

 

In conclusion: No my intent was not to just kill people, I can raid bases and get in RDM zone for that. My purpose with this PD Raid was to get to the vault so I don't know why you would assume my intentions like this, due to a lack of skill (clear skill issue from me ngl) I died in the raid and it was not supposed to happen. My raid was a failure, if I stayed alive, I wouldve got a bunch of shipments to enchant. 

And again, sorry that I didn't place a maxwell, it was part of my plan to get to the vault, if you want i'll buy a maxwell and place it for you. 

 

Best Regards,

Yahya* - Barbencher Slayer

 

 

[riddim]

Good afternoon Lean,

 

I want to start off with one simple question, why wasn't a sit made? I believe this could have been handled over a sit, with Yahya being able to explain his intentions and Lean being able to explain what he saw. If you were still unsatisfied with the outcome, then forums would be the next step. It isn't that big of a deal, in my eyes it would have prevented a forums post. 

 

When reviewing the video that Lean gave us, without knowing Yahya's intentions it can be seen as obvious kill bait/rule break. However, after reading the DM between Yahya and Ironfish, also getting to read his side of things in this post, I've ( and hopefully other staff ) learned something new about the SBC Cannon, that it has a damage cap. This would explain Yahya's intention on calling a fake maxwell into the PD, and it would also explain why we don't die half the time to an SBC Cannon. Yahya pulled out every possible tool he had to hopefully tank the SBC shot ( health food, armor, gang perks ) but he got skill issue'd and failed, I wouldn't understand why he would use all of those if he didn't intend to continue the PD raid?

 

I can agree that this is going far for a PD raid, but it's what Yahya is known for, going above and beyond. I also agree that he should have raided it a different way without adverting a fake maxwell to prevent confusion, but in the end, after reading his side of things I would not push for a punishment but rather just talk to him to prevent something like this again in the future. 

 

-1

[Mild Tsunami]

Riddim summed it up perfectly I think having a discussion with Yahya about how people could view his intentions to make sure it does not happen again. -1 on punishment

[Lean]

1 hour ago, riddim said:

Good afternoon Lean,

 

I want to start off with one simple question, why wasn't a sit made? I believe this could have been handled over a sit, with Yahya being able to explain his intentions and Lean being able to explain what he saw. If you were still unsatisfied with the outcome, then forums would be the next step. It isn't that big of a deal, in my eyes it would have prevented a forums post. 

 

When reviewing the video that Lean gave us, without knowing Yahya's intentions it can be seen as obvious kill bait/rule break. However, after reading the DM between Yahya and Ironfish, also getting to read his side of things in this post, I've ( and hopefully other staff ) learned something new about the SBC Cannon, that it has a damage cap. This would explain Yahya's intention on calling a fake maxwell into the PD, and it would also explain why we don't die half the time to an SBC Cannon. Yahya pulled out every possible tool he had to hopefully tank the SBC shot ( health food, armor, gang perks ) but he got skill issue'd and failed, I wouldn't understand why he would use all of those if he didn't intend to continue the PD raid?

 

I can agree that this is going far for a PD raid, but it's what Yahya is known for, going above and beyond. I also agree that he should have raided it a different way without adverting a fake maxwell to prevent confusion, but in the end, after reading his side of things I would not push for a punishment but rather just talk to him to prevent something like this again in the future. 

 

-1

I didnt make a sit because I dmed mav and he claimed he did nothing wrong, so I asked isaac how I should proceed and he said make a report. If you are going to pd raid with intent to go the the vault like he claimed your not gonna run in point blank with an sbc cannon with the chance that your gonna die. Its completely bonkers to try to make it plausible to do this because he thought hed survive a point blank sbc cannon shot, but to advert maxwell in pd the only reason to do that would to gather people and to run in withy a sbc cannon and kill them all is just no intent whether he was to die or not, I think a talking to is needed i agree that he shouldnt be punished, but to argue that it was valid is just crazy. He shouldnt have called a maxwell to pd if his intent was to reach the vault and not to kill everyone in lobby.

[Shadow Money Wizard]

2 hours ago, Lean said:

I didnt make a sit because I dmed mav and he claimed he did nothing wrong, so I asked isaac how I should proceed and he said make a report. If you are going to pd raid with intent to go the the vault like he claimed your not gonna run in point blank with an sbc cannon with the chance that your gonna die. Its completely bonkers to try to make it plausible to do this because he thought hed survive a point blank sbc cannon shot, but to advert maxwell in pd the only reason to do that would to gather people and to run in withy a sbc cannon and kill them all is just no intent whether he was to die or not, I think a talking to is needed i agree that he shouldnt be punished, but to argue that it was valid is just crazy. He shouldnt have called a maxwell to pd if his intent was to reach the vault and not to kill everyone in lobby.

Looking through the Dm's with Yahya his intention seemed to continue the raid and the perks checked out, but this whole thing sounds like a stupid idea from yahya don't get me wrong. I've seen people tank hits from the sbc cannon before and from what yahya had ( that he claimed) it would make no sense to me why he would just want to kill a bunch of random people and ruin his raid. 

I think it's very important to get both sides and the intention of the player in question trust me i had to find that out the hard way

-1  to punish Yahya, I think a small talk about this is more than enough

[Ironfish1]

Accepted for a talking to regarding this matter

The admin team discussed this situation and came to the conclusion with the SMods that this would be better utilized as an educational experience for the involved Staff Member, rather than taking a punitive course with this report.