Warn Appeal

[MANNYKICKASS]

10 minutes ago, AflictoGaming said:

Ok so my first problem is the first cant be used as proof as to where hex was unless the warning staff member can show nlr logs to show this as well. The other two just show hex being a little rude about the situation but nothing to show where you were or him when he warned you then killed you

yes i was just trying to help sorry by showing what happened it is a recreation from my memory. i had no proof because hex admitted to lean what he did in the admin room that is why recording was not needed. hex they knew i had no gun or handcuff out and shot me anyway i was about to leave right as i learned serial killer had died. i cant arrest hex or fapgod because they were killing in self defense due to serial killer. hex most likely would have gotten only verbal warning for this but hex was not be respectful or understanding so that is why he got warning. thanks and im sorry for errors i am learning english aflicto gaming. hex seem to meta game and think i automatically want to target them but im just doing my job if they had a reason to be arrested i do it. hex is quick to kill me for any reason im just trying to make money if he has reason to do it that is fine but i think here hex has rdm me so. (edited)

 

-manny

Edited August 23, 2023 by MANNYKICKASS

[Hex_]

1 minute ago, MANNYKICKASS said:

yes i was just trying to help sorry by showing what happened it is a recreation from my memory. i had no proof because hex admitted to lean what he did in the admin room that is why recording was not needed. hex they knew i had no gun or handcuff out and shot me anyway i was about to leave right as i learned serial killer had died. i cant arrest hex or fapgod because they were killing in self defense due to serial killer. hex most likely would have gotten only verbal warning for this but hex was not be respectful or understanding so that is why he got warning. thanks and im sorry for errors i am learning english aflicto gaming.

 

-manny

Manny, the problem I am having with all of this is the fact that you're claiming it's RDM when I had plenty of reason. I didn't walk up to you with intentions of harming you, in fact, I was far enough away that you couldn't insta cuff (I know some cops have perks that make it faster), but close enough to know the situation. We had already dealt with the SK and that should have been that. I noticed you had your head turned which is why I felt like I needed to add that extra warn because as I said further up on the post, I've personally had someone to the left of my vision, RIGHT out of my view and was talking with someone else, they gave me the 1/2/3 but unfortunately, i wasn't paying attention, and so I died. I didn't call a sit on them simply because they warned. Did it suck, definitely, but they warned me and I was in their area so I sucked it up.

 

The same goes here. I was peacefully fishing with a friend, we were threatened by the SK, we KILLED said SK which automatically gives YOU the right to arrest, I had a bounty, and like you said, you're trying to collect bounties for money.  I don't think I've heard seen someone who isn't spamming the advert/ using it to actually RDM get in trouble for using it for it's intended purpose. 

 

 

Also not replying to Manny in this next tidbit but rather it being an overall general thing--

 

1. Manny is a police officer actively fining for bounties.

 

2. We just had an interaction with a SK who died, which Manny witnessed. 

 

3. I had a $500 dollar bounty.

 

4. I'm not sure what the laws were at the time or if we had a mayor so I'm not sure if this applies at all, but if there were laws including sweps, fishing poles are often included despite it not being a damaging swep. If the laws allowed it, he could've arrested/ wanted either of us.

 

5. We both take measures to stay AWAY from cops so that we wouldnt need to deal with this same crap.

 

 

Lastly, I *would* like to apologize for my rudeness. I had been trying to grind xp all day, and several people over the course of the day, regular players or CP had been beefing all day, I'd had shit destroyed, and was not in the best mood. Doesn't make the aggression right, but I would like to point out that no inappropriate language that the server is against was used, so I'm not really sure why this is being brought up or is being combined with the warn. 

 

Manny, I'm sorry it went down the way it did, but I genuinely do not feel like I was in the wrong here. Not saying you were wrong FOR BEING there either-- but I genuinely feel you should have left the area.

[zoot]

15 hours ago, TheRealHex said:

I was taking time to think about the situation and whether or not I deserved to actually be warned or it.

I edited my initial posting, and would like to ask that you respond if you could (first comment on the appeal).  I wanted to say that while I see this, I do not agree that it takes days to figure out whether or not you broke a server rule. Is there any other reason you might have?

[Hex_]

32 minutes ago, zoot said:

I edited my initial posting, and would like to ask that you respond if you could (first comment on the appeal).  I wanted to say that while I see this, I do not agree that it takes days to figure out whether or not you broke a server rule. Is there any other reason you might have?

Okay so,  what this comes down to is that I'm autistic and I struggle to see things in ways other than just black and white, as I am VERY literal in most of my communication, and so I needed to take time to:

 

1. Think about the situation so that I could establish whether or not I felt I was in a correct position to actually warn and thus kill Manny. This is because again, like I have said numerous times, I do NOT like breaking rules as it comes with the potential of sits, and sits are confrontation, which gives me a shit ton of anxiety. You can argue that "oh it's a game, why are you anxious".. but mental illnesses don't listen to reason. I get anxious to the point of physical illness. So, for my own mental health, I took a sort of "break".

 

2. I got the opinion of another staff member BEFORE I made the appeal, because I wanted a perspective from not only someone other than myself, but ALSO the opinion of another staff member so that I could establish a sense of confidence in a possible appeal. If that staff member were to tell me that I was in the wrong, I would have just taken the L and moved on despite my feelings, because clearly something went wrong or I misunderstood something. That did NOT happen, and I was told that I should go for it. People get busy, and they do not respond immediately. Life happens.

 

Due to these two factors, it took an additional day or two for me to decide whether or not it was worth it. Since I still feel the circumstances surrounding this situation were not as much fault of my own that others are claiming it IS, I decided it would be worth it to at least try. I really almost didn't, but quite literally as they say, you miss all the shots you DON'T take.

 

And again, I've been warned for things before and have not appealed them because I just took them for what they were, that I was in the wrong whether it was intentional or not (as an example, I was under the impression that you could ram people off of buildings since birds can push players, but you CAN'T purposefully knock them off a high place to harm them. I should've figured that one out but again, I took the L because I was in the wrong). 

 

I hope this suffices as a proper explanation into my thought process and reasoning for the slight delay on the appeal, AND, I apologize for glossing over your initial post!

[Hex_]

21 hours ago, zoot said:

From what I understand you used the Warn advert because you were worried for your safety and being accosted by somebody. You were well within your rights to warn, and I don’t see a reason for this to be called RDM. I’ll hold off on a vote until logs are posted though if you wouldn’t mind sharing. 
 

EDIT: I don’t see enough evidence against you personally. I agree that it’s weird you didn’t report until days later. I’d like you to explain that please, because it really has me on the fence about giving you benefit of the doubt. 
 

Bottom line though my perspective is that everything you said has been confirmed by MANNYKICKSAS, and you had RP reason to warn/kill. I’d prefer that you let him try first, as it was two of you and it would avoid a grey area in the rules, but you were under no obligation to do so.

 

I’ve personally had this user chase me across half the map for my bounty, so I’m inclined to say it falls under common sense that a guy like that will want to fine you. Advert warns should be reserved mostly for defending your own property and avoiding things like serial killers, but I believe approaching cops can be considered to be a special circumstance in which this is allowed. 
 

[+1] For removing the RDM warn from your history

Simply wanted to go back really quick and read this over since you mentioned it, and I do agree I could've handled it better. It was late, people had been fucking with me all day, so I was definitely coming off aggressive and that is completely on me. I appreciate your perspective and thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain my reasoning for the delay in the appeal. In the future, regardless of whether or not this appeal is accepted, I'm going to put more efforts into having cops be a tad more threatening/ getting closer to me before I warn. Definitely an act of a heightened self-defense mode, but with FAPGOD being there, I should've relaxed a bit and let him handle it if I were to be cuffed. 

[Mild Tsunami]

For me I would have to -1 on this appeal simply for lack of evidence for the appeal since the screenshot provided was not from this server we have no way of verifying if that location is the real location or not. Thank you for taking the time to post your appeal and continuing to comment on it.

[riddim]

There isn't enough evidence to say with confidence that Manny was threatening Hex.

After seeing all the logs from Lean, there are multiple things we need to consider;

 

- Manny was holding out a jump swep

- Both players were confirmed to be at the beach ( a public area )

- Manny was not 100% looking at Hex, and talking to FAPGOD ( confirmed by Hex )

In my eyes there seems to be confusion on both sides. Hex was under the assumption that Manny was there for the bounty, while Manny claims he was there for the SK that had been killed. Manny could not have arrested you for killing the SK as you killed them in self defense, and I'm sure he was well aware of that since he had asked in chat. If Manny really wanted your bounty I'm sure he would have gone and cuffed you instead of stopping to talk with FAPGOD, even then you could have party assisted. The biggest reason I'm going to -1 this is because Manny was holding out a jump swep, not anything that could arrest or harm Hex. Had Manny had a gun or cuffs out I would have +1'd this appeal.

 

Lean forgot to post this ( predator blade is a jump swep )

 

-1

[Hex_]

9 hours ago, Mild Tsunami said:

For me I would have to -1 on this appeal simply for lack of evidence for the appeal since the screenshot provided was not from this server we have no way of verifying if that location is the real location or not. Thank you for taking the time to post your appeal and continuing to comment on it.

What do you mean...? I didn't post anything about location... I posted the logs of my warnings. Manny posted the composed sandbox locations..?

[Mild Tsunami]

3 minutes ago, TheRealHex said:

What do you mean...? I didn't post anything about location... I posted the logs of my warnings. Manny posted the composed sandbox locations..?

I do apologize I didn’t realize it wasn’t you who posted the screenshots. However, my vote still stands and is further concreted with what was posted about them holding a jump swep.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Mild Tsunami

[Succ The Zucc]

You warned a dude to get away from you when he wasn't interacting with you directly. So on my end he didn't come for you, to you, or interact with you; it in my book is RDM. 

 

-1 from me here. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Succ The Zucc
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