Indestructible Entity Abuse/FailRP Lockdown

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, cobaselic said:

As for the "covid outbreak" reason for the lockdown, idk really. That's something that we'd have to talk about and decide if it's valid.

I would LOVE to discuss with you about this, the topic of rp lockdown reasons!

[Mouthpiece]

13 minutes ago, GoatNuts said:

Damn really? i was told countless times by staff members and users alike that so long as the front entrance pathway to the office and jail are clear, you could pretty much block all the other pathways

This is the case! For all bases with more than one entrance, you can block as many off as you want so long as there's still a path to your loot that can be reached with a lockpick and keypad cracker.

You just can't use non-destructible entities to do do the blocking.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Mouthpiece said:

This is the case! For all bases with more than one entrance, you can block as many off as you want so long as there's still a path to your loot that can be reached with a lockpick and keypad cracker.

You just can't use non-destructible entities to do do the blocking.

Damn i actually did not knew that lmfao

[toosii]

In the future please fill out all of the information the format asks for, including your in-game name and Steam ID.

Since you didn't I will add some info for the staff team to see

STEAM_0:0:717229804   https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199394725336

But yeah @GoatNutsyou are not able to use indestructible props to block any entry points. In the PD you can propblock the vents & side door entrance since people can still get in through lobby area, but you just have to use something that can be broken by c4, blowtorches, etc.

As for the lockdown reason being "covid outbreak" I am really not sure if that would be considered valid or not. Possibly not but at the same time I mean if there is people with covid running around near the PD or something it could maybe be a valid reason. Regardless though I don't really see that being a big deal or punishable, its kind of petty to report that.

 

For the propblock part of the report I will be +1 though since Goat did admit to doing it. But I don't even know if a warn would be necessary, maybe just a verbal warning since it seems like he was not aware he was breaking a rule by doing so. But I will let the staff team determine what punishment is fair in their opinion.

 

 

[Tyz37]

7 hours ago, GoatNuts said:

Damn really? i was told countless times by staff members and users alike that so long as the front entrance pathway to the office and jail are clear, you could pretty much block all the other pathways

That is for props (which are destructible) not infestructable entities.

[Mouthpiece]

2 hours ago, toosii said:

its kind of petty to report that.

 

 

For what it's worth, I didn't necessarily make this report with the intention of getting GoatNuts punished-- and as a moderator you shouldn't be calling reports "petty" to begin with. Are you trying to discourage players from reporting potential violations of the rules?

 

That's not a good look.

My intent was to just to ensure that he's informed, 'cause he surely wasn't listening to me on the matter.

The money pot bit is squared away.

My opinion on the lockdown rule, if that's of any value in this discussion, is that a lockdown's reason should have a well-defined end point. I remember in the way way back before that rule was implemented , the very core issue that sparked the rule's creation was mayors making lockdowns that lasted from the moment they were elected up until their death. Things like revolts, or raids, or spawn of hell attacks, or terrorist attacks, or abomination attacks, etc. all have well-defined begin and end points, and are usually fine for lockdown reasons.

 

A covid outbreak, however, gets incredibly muddy. What boxes need to be checked for it to begin or end? Does the whole server need to be purged of covid? How many people need to catch it before it's considered an outbreak? How do we keep track of that. What if someone refuses to get cured? Who does the curing in the first place? How does the mayor determine that the outbreak is over? Oh, right, you can't really do any of that.

 

This reason is just "im making this lockdown cause I feel like it" in disguise.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Mouthpiece

[toosii]

1 hour ago, Mouthpiece said:

For what it's worth, I didn't necessarily make this report with the intention of getting GoatNuts punished-- and as a moderator you shouldn't be calling reports "petty" to begin with. Are you trying to discourage players from reporting potential violations of the rules?

 

That's not a good look.

My intent was to just to ensure that he's informed, 'cause he surely wasn't listening to me on the matter.

The money pot bit is squared away.

My opinion on the lockdown rule, if that's of any value in this discussion, is that a lockdown's reason should have a well-defined end point. I remember in the way way back before that rule was implemented , the very core issue that sparked the rule's creation was mayors making lockdowns that lasted from the moment they were elected up until their death. Things like revolts, or raids, or spawn of hell attacks, or terrorist attacks, or abomination attacks, etc. all have well-defined begin and end points, and are usually fine for lockdown reasons.

 

A covid outbreak, however, gets incredibly muddy. What boxes need to be checked for it to end? Does the whole server need to be purged of covid? How do we keep track of that. What if someone refuses to get cured? Who does the curing in the first place? How does the mayor determine that the outbreak is over? Oh, right, you can't really do any of that. This reason is just "im making this lockdown cause I feel like it" in disguise.

I'm not trying to discourage any valid reports not sure what you're getting at. For example if someone takes the time to make a forums report over a singular stun gun shot, or getting hit with the slappers once, it is kind of petty. That doesn't mean a rule wasn't technically broken... it just means I think taking the time to report something so minor is petty in my opinion. If you don't agree that's 100% fine.

By definition petty means minor or of less importance... which compared to the severity of some other reports (MRDM, player targeting, staff abusing powers, etc), yours is.  I didn't mean to come across rude or nothing like that though dawg.

 

And regarding the lockdown reason of 'covid outbreak', all I said was that I am unsure if it would be something we consider valid or not. That will have to be decided by the staff team, but no, it is probably not a valid reason to start a lockdown.

Edited November 7, 2022 by toosii

[Blue.]

Personally I wouldn't consider covid outbreaks to be a valid lockdown reason - lockdowns are generally meant for things like terror attacks, goon events, revolts, things that affect the server as a whole and while I kinda get the whole covid thing - i think with just how rampant it is ingame and with all the perks and jobs n shit - it's just kind of more trouble than its worth IMO. I understand if others feel different but thats just how i feel, and i get the rule is vague so I don't think there should be any sort of punishment.


I do kinda think goatnuts should probably get a warn though. "Do not abuse non-destructible entities when building your base. This means using them for anything other than their intended purpose."

I'm all for leniency especially in situations where something isnt in the motd and they didnt know - but goat has been staff before and is an experienced player - and this was something in the motd.

[Guest]

Alright guys lets just not stretch this further, i am in the wrong, i would like to have this report accepted! ill take the warn or verbal

[Zoop Loop]

Goat admitted and wants to take a punishment to put this to a close. I suggest a verbal. Says staff told him it was ok, he had no clue it was really not allowed. Just a misunderstanding 

 

+1 for verbal warning for prop block