Warn Appeal

[Quas]

In-Game Name

BigRobbieD

Your Steam ID

STEAM_0:0:419352872

Why were you banned or warned?

RDM

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

A picolas cage was making me feel jumpy and he did it not once or twice, but 6 times in total. I took damage one of those times and since it effecting my ability to properly play I go and kill him. Soon after, im brought to a sit about it. It seems Jason had a bit of trouble properly articulating what I did wrong jumping between RDM and FailRP which I did neither of IMO. Metagaming has always been allowed on the server, so I used that information to know who was doing it so I went to the cereal monster and killed him. As far as RDM, he was making me jumpy over and over and I took fall damage so I went and killed him, seems fair to me, I dont see an issue with that. According to Jason, if you cause someone to take fall damage and they die, it is not RDM, including slappers and the clown horn. If you all agree to the ruling then thats cool with me, but I dont so im here making an appeal.

As far as how the sit went, definitely expected as far as incompetence, basically giving a free pass to anyone to play as picolas and constantly make you jumpy with no consequence. He did it 6 times before the sit, and a couple more times immediately after we were returned, but I guess I cant do anything about it. Wont be name dropping the guy who made the original report on me because I honestly have nothing against the guy, he just reported something he believed to be wrong, and I simply disagree.

Who warned/banned you?

Jason Bourne

How long were you warned or banned for?

Perma

[AflictoGaming]

I asked the other smods what the thought and from what I saw the said it’s not allowed so I definitely won’t be removing the warn. -1 

[Quas]

26 minutes ago, Jason Bourne said:

I asked the other smods what the thought and from what I saw the said it’s not allowed so I definitely won’t be removing the warn. -1 

So you see it as completely fine that he was spamming that on me, and even go as far as to reward it? I see an issue with being able to spam the "I feel jumpy" thing on someone and nothing can be done about it, especially if it does damage. 

[TRMaze]

-1 most of what picholas does is not rp related such as training a base not counting as a raid and making people jumpy is something I feel that although picholas controls, it’s the cereal monster that does it. They’re aren’t directly doing the damage to you so I really don’t think that killing him is valid, go stand inside or something to avoid it. 
 

[Quas]

34 minutes ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

-1 most of what picholas does is not rp related such as training a base not counting as a raid and making people jumpy is something I feel that although picholas controls, it’s the cereal monster that does it. They’re aren’t directly doing the damage to you so I really don’t think that killing him is valid, go stand inside or something to avoid it. 
 

“Just dont go outside, go stay in a base while a guy spams cereal onto you, doesnt matter that 90% of RP is outside”

 

The picolas himself literally admitted that he did it because it was his RP, he had RP intentions with making me jumpy. So yes, it is RP related.

 

Slapping someone does damage, but also causes people to take fall damage in cases, are those players responsible for the fall damage? If not, would that mean I could hypothetically slap random players into the air, making them die from fall damage? Ive been told by staff that if you slap someone and they take fall damage it is considered your fault, but now im hearing differently. Before you say its different, its really not, only difference is that one does a small amount of damage. Or what about a heal bot, am I responsible for fall damage taken by a heal bot, even if its in a public area? 

 

Lets say that this is found to be completely fine, and launching people in the air, resulting in fall damage, can be done with no consequence in RP or with staff. That is an awful consensus to make, for a couple reasons: It breeds targeting/harassment, it basically just makes it to where picolas is allowed to hinder others RP with complete immunity and not much of a way to combat it, and it is just a general nuisance overall.

[EpicWafflehouse]

in this regard i would have probably warned for rdm as well. Mainly because you went across the map just to track down the player and kill them for using the cereal Monster and making you jumpy. I could see why he would call a sit  because to him he was just using his class and then you came out of nowhere just to kill him.Especially since when a wish is used on you it doesnt say  I should kill whoever made that wish or something along the lines of Kosing that player  And the cereal monster isn't an infinite use thing  they have to have the cereal available in order to make the wishes so it's not like they could do it to you forever.

 

 

2 hours ago, Quas said:

cording to Jason, if you cause someone to take fall damage and they die, it is not RDM, including slappers and the clown horn.

this does kind of confuse me, with the picloas job they just choose a player to be jumpy and thats it you never actually see the player you are using your wish on. but actually walking up to someone with the horn/slapper and launching them with it/ causing them to die because of it i feel like could be treated as RDM.  because you can clearly see you are launching them into the sky. 

[TRMaze]

2 hours ago, Quas said:

Slapping someone does damage, but also causes people to take fall damage in cases, are those players responsible for the fall damage? If not, would that mean I could hypothetically slap random players into the air, making them die from fall damage? Ive been told by staff that if you slap someone and they take fall damage it is considered your fault, but now im hearing differently. Before you say its different, its really not, only difference is that one does a small amount of damage. Or what about a heal bot, am I responsible for fall damage taken by a heal bot, even if its in a public area? 

no champion i didnt say anything about slappers or anything related to that, please re read what i said! EDIT: sorry missed out on saying this real quick, slappers and cereal monster are two VERY different things, one is an entity that grants wishes and one is the player actually slapping someone.

2 hours ago, Quas said:

The picolas himself literally admitted that he did it because it was his RP, he had RP intentions with making me jumpy. So yes, it is RP related.

again re read what i said....  "I feel that although picholas controls, it’s the cereal monster that does it. They’re aren’t directly doing the damage to you so I really don’t think that killing him is valid "

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Maze マインクラフト

[Kio]

nothing much else to say waffle and Jeff pretty much said everything i would say 

 

-1

 

 

 

[Quas]

6 hours ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

no champion i didnt say anything about slappers or anything related to that, please re read what i said! EDIT: sorry missed out on saying this real quick, slappers and cereal monster are two VERY different things, one is an entity that grants wishes and one is the player actually slapping someone.

I didnt say you did mention it, I was simply bringing it up since Jason says that using slappers to kill someone with fall damage is not RDM, and they are very similar in terms of what they do. But what about the heal bot? Would I be able to put down a heal bot resulting in people taking fall damage? Its not me doing it, its the heal bot, although I put it down (similar to how picolas makes a wish so its the NPC doing it, not picolas directly) would I be considered at fault for the deaths?

 

7 hours ago, Maze マインクラフト said:

ain re read what i said....  "I feel that although picholas controls, it’s the cereal monster that does it. They’re aren’t directly doing the damage to you so I really don’t think that killing him is valid "

What? This has nothing to do with what I said, you claimed that its RP related, so I brought up how the picolas in question claimed it was RP related. Yes, it might be indirect but that idea that he isnt at fault is just dumb, that is synonymous with Jigsaws philosophy. The cereal monster doesnt do anything on his own, picolas has to make a wish. Its against the rules to give a MRDMer a weapon so they can MRDM, why do you think that is? It is because you are at fault, the MRDMer would not be able to MRDM without that weapon that you gave him, just like how the cereal monster would not be able to do anything unless picolas made a wish.

[Quas]

9 hours ago, EpicWafflehouse said:

 

in this regard i would have probably warned for rdm as well. Mainly because you went across the map just to track down the player and kill them for using the cereal Monster and making you jumpy. I could see why he would call a sit  because to him he was just using his class and then you came out of nowhere just to kill him.Especially since when a wish is used on you it doesnt say  I should kill whoever made that wish or something along the lines of Kosing that player  And the cereal monster isn't an infinite use thing  they have to have the cereal available in order to make the wishes so it's not like they could do it to you forever.

 

It was more so down the street then across the map. He was targeting me with the cereal monster, which is obvious seeing as he did it 6 times until I killed him, its not like he did it once and I killed him, it was multiple occasions. Is that ok? I see an issue with it, and making that type of behavior allowed with no consequences gives a free pass to players to use picolas to mess with other players. I dont know about most people, but I hate calling sits, and I especially hate calling sits for something like “targeting” or “harassment” which what that picolas did could easily be in one of those categories. I dont seek to get people punished, especially if its someone who plays on the server frequently, and obviously has no ill intentions in the grand scheme. All I ask is simply a way to combat this without any need for staff involvement, and having the ability to kill picolas if you take damage as a result of his wishes seems completely fair, especially taken into account that metagaming is allowed. I know its not infinite use, but seeing the economy of the server, players can easily have hundreds of cereal just kicking around.