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Why are you worrying about shooting back when you already agreed that they would be dead regardless in either base in <5 seconds? You're not going to shoot back, you're going to be walking out of spawn with either. If you think that it is so much easier and more fair to use blackout I'd love you to evaluate the following pictures and tell me what's so different. That's your blackout base That's your headshot base. You're pretending like there's a chance for either. You you're not about to get headshot 13 times and die before you can panic.

I'll provide some info that I wasted some time to get together showing how blackout bases might as well be headshot bases. Blackout (These are examples.) Headshot (Once again, examples) Now I'm going to assume you looked at both examples and before you disagree with my statements, provide your own examples with effort not just "No you're being dumb and this is an exaggeration because you're trying to prove a point". Similarities: Both involve User dying quickly because you're able to shoot him and kill him in <5 seconds. Both involve User trying to raid this base they've never seen before. Both involve User having a blowtorch. Differences: Blackout can shoot you from any direction in most cases. Headshot is going to be headshot more than likely Black out has User's full body as a target Headshot has a smaller target (The head) unless shooting through the tunnel Blackout is allowed Headshot is considered exploting props Conclusion: Headshot bases you really can't miss, while blackout you actually have to aim slightly. NEITHER are creative, NEITHER should be allowed, NEITHER are fair by any means. If you think Blackout is good because you can figure it out eventually, just know there's a message in this response and it's as easy to find as the exit in a blackout. If you find that message, I'd appreciate you posting my thoughts that I wrote.

You might as well make headshot bases then. You have the same chance of living with either base. As the rules stated before the change, you must be able to make it through a base with basic raiding supplies, C4 and Blow torches shouldn't be "Required". If you'd like, I could make bases that require battering rams and search warrants as those are raiding tools that people could get. If you're curious about how headshot bases and black out bases are similar, you are shot without any idea of where the bullets came from. You can't fight back when you don't know where you got shot from, and most of the time you have no chance to fight back since you're already dead. Claiming that because someone is too poor to raid you is bullshit. You shouldn't need to have all the top tier supplies raid someone. Keypad cracker, lockpicks, and guns are all you should ever need. Not C4 as it's a tool that costs you roughly 150k per and you know that you're going to need more than one. Blow torches are running roughly 500k per and why does it make sense for everyone to use black out bases that require you to spend anywhere that close just to raid ONE person. Here's the kicker, all those supplies require other people to help. No way in heck are you going to get all those supplies used by one person while the base defender is watching. What you need is the base defender afk doing God knows what in order for you to stand a chance. If the raider is there, C4 means nothing to him, it does nothing since he's just going to repaste the base after he inevitably kills you and then what? The base defender has such an advantage it's pointless to raid anyone.

I still agree with this 100% even though I'm one of the more offenders of this

The Vector would be nice, we don't have too many used SMGs, mostly all snipers for more used weapons. (I have no idea if this makes sense, I'm very tired.)

I see where you're coming from, but people don't use Flight SWEPs and Spiderman guns all that often for a reason. The main reason why people use it is for either looking cool, healing, breaking down doors, or travel. I'm not sure what would work as a good alternative but it would need to be an efficient and versatile replacement. As far as I could guess, deactivating the lightsaber (Hit R) it could help, but lets be honest nobody wants to do that. Making people happy is hard and this won't make anyone happy but it's needed to do something about this for server related needs.

Staff Related Rant. User Related Rant:

MOTD does state basic laws. Stealing in the sense that if someone turns in drugs, you swipe their money, get shot once, kill them. Saying to make the theft nonviolent doesn't mean players won't get killed, they'll still die just in a different order. The fining process is fine, the players who misuse the tools they are given are the ones to be punished. Sugar said it himself, the massive fine followed up with a 20 minute jail time is motivation to not commit crimes. Also I agree with your last bit on the warns. I only knew of the one revolving around 50 warnings since I'm surprised I've seen players make it that far. If any player makes it to any amount of that you just listed, they deserve a harsher punishment since they're clearly not grasping the concept of rules

Shadoe, we're both from there. Not to mention I was staff there lol. We had to build like that or die basically. Build like we do in GW, only downfall is the lack of the materials tho.

Thanks Kabo for making this thread actually. I entirely believe blackout bases are complete nonsense, it's just when they aren't against the rules it's all people will use. Black Out Base Opinion: Crouch-related Base Opinion: These designs lack creativity because players say that not using them is vastly inferior. I can build base after base WITHOUT blackout and WITHOUT using crouch spots to just use as a "kill funnel" I built a base lastnight that used neither (But being the dumb I am, I deleted the base as some people can remember seeing me kick myself for it.) If all of you feel your bases are good, I challenge you to make bases without making use of forcing players to crouch over long period, not using blackout, and not using a 1-way fence. Storefront gate is fine. This challenge was proposed to me by the user "Officer Bucky" a while back and I completed it with ease since I build as much as I do. It's doable and if you think otherwise, you're doing something wrong. I can adjust all of my bases to fit these terms, but there's no reason to when it puts me at such a disadvantage. On top of that, these statements should say it all Also I'd like to mention that bases aren't meant to be unraidable for your reasons of protection, they should be challenging for the raider so they atleast stand a chance to a degree. While that chance isn't above 50% in my case, it's still above 5% Also, Kabo, my bases are still rather "impossible" to raid even with a blowtorch :D But it also has nothing to do with the base being blackout.

I'm mostly asking as people could refer to this list when trying to get a CC weapon that is already on the server, like if Shadoe wants to use my shield but doesn't know that I own it so he has to talk to me or find a new item

The difference is that the user was using it to their advantage. If you go into the walls to cook method, that's exploiting and you're more likely than not going to get perm for it NOWADAYS. I explained the situation to an admin as well, he understood what I meant by exploiting and delivered the punishment. The user said and I quote "This started happening a while ago when I joined a server with really bad admits, they downloaded all sorts of viruses to my computer so now I can see through walls." In his situation he claims that his game was modified in such a way that he could see through walls on a regular or constant basis. He did not yell "help admin, I can see through walls" he yelled to players "I can see you (through props that were pure black AMD he navigated the base flawlessly for that reason) and I know that player has out, and that you have # of bit coin miners and # of money printers." He also went on to say "It's not my fault" when he took his situation and abused it. Just as if a user could see the admin calls, he would be in trouble for taking them.

Sugar, do you have a spreadsheet on who ones what? Or staff, you wanna list what you bought for your CC?

Computer Security and Database Administration: I have schools on the mind who are interesting in taking me as I'm apparently smart AF. Chemist: I sit around and watch science all day. Chemistry is so interesting that I'd much rather work in a field of "Hey, this shit lits on fire in water, yo" than any store in mind Therapist: I talk to a lot of people. I listen to problems.

Is it possible to get custom weapons anymore from any source?

Sugar, could you tell us what all is in the loot tables for the processor? I heard of the nerf and am now even more interested what is possible to plop out of it. If the upgraded processor that you're working on containes a modified table other than without the knives, I'm sure we'd love to see it. The nerf that removed Sniper A, Defabricators (?), and Skull smashers might of removed more than that from what I'm aware of, especially if they're going to be in the tier 2 processor, so I'm curious. While I'm here, how's the progress looking on it? Not to rush you, just wondering.

Wood, people just like seeing words to show effort, I literally expanded my application by 17 sentences in one instance for one answer just because I was salty that someone said I needed more to it.

If we could edit the list, it would be fine, but there's more than a couple that don't work. A majority of the mats that did work were nice and added flavor to shops.

Certain weapons have shipments but don't work. "Minigun shipment of 2" Most reoccurring one