Opila Bird Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fleazies velk.ca said: Hello! Fabrizio not taking the sit is viewed in a negative light, but you doing the same is somehow OK. Last time this happened, you also logged off of the game and claimed it to be due to "weather problems". I really believe you try to dismiss these situations instead of trying to take responsibility for your party members. If fabrizio faces punishment, you should aswell. Thanks for reading! NOOB BASERS You claiming terrry was not taking the sit for bias reasons is entirely conjecture. Unlike with him, fabrizio was very much not afk and actively not stopping it from happening. Edited October 9 by bugman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleazies velk.ca Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, bugman said: You claiming terrry was not taking the sit for bias reasons is entirely conjecture. Unlike with him, fabrizio was very much not afk and actively not stopping it from happening. Hello! Player was not afk, as he took a sit before my report. A few minutes later, i call my own sit, and nobody takes it. Thanks for reading! NOOB BASERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opila Bird Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Just now, Fleazies velk.ca said: Hello! Player was not afk, as he took a sit before my report. A few minutes later, i call my own sit, and nobody takes it. Thanks for reading! NOOB BASERS Are you implying he couldn't have gone afk in between that time? Anyway I won't be responding further unless more evidence is posted(you posting the entirety of the clips I am now aware of you having would help) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F___ Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 hours ago, Tene said: yeah so issue is that he was saying ingame to me that he wasnt dealing with it ingame out of fear of being called bias, but there were 8 other staff online he couldve asked to deal with it for him, which is a way large enough collective to just handle it ingame and choose someone who has no bias at all, and potentially even just discuss in staff chat then and there on the punishment and have it handled ingame very swiftly. they are discouraged from handling their own sits if they believe they will be bias in it, sure, but when theres 8 other staff online and you're intentionally not handling it ingame with the intent of taking it to the forums for a big forums event (nonchalant gulp cat gif) it says that you arent dealing with it because you want drama, not because you are unsure of the punishment to give. so i guess its terrys fault for eating dinner and being afk and not the mods fault who was actively allowing the user to exploit and not dealing with it. i could see the blame on terry being valid if fabrizio asked in staff chat for someone (like terry) to help him deal with it (and maybe a reply from terry saying something like no), but there was nothing in staff chat ever put mentioning the exploit, so fabrizio was quite literally watching it happen, interacting with the player, but not telling him to stop or requesting other staff deal with it - he knew from the beginning he was reporting on forums so he allowed it to be repeated despite the behaviour you claim to be as ''despicable''. when i was online and talking to fabrizio about it, there still was no forums report, and there were 8 staff online that he could have asked, but he insisted on not having it dealt with ingame even by other staff. I would like to say that I do entirely agree, a verbal for this is extremely light considering he has a past ban for this (despite the intent and use being different). I think a week ban is fair for this, as he didn't use it to raid or for malicious intent and looks to just be messing around with your group. This is how exploiting bans are determined, im not sure what the 'advantage' gained was for this case, but comparing it to his last one where he raided a base and blew up ents/killed players and received 1 month, i'd say this is significantly less of an advantage/malicious use, so 1 week (in my opinion) seems fair. -> His last ban for this was 5 months ago, 2 weeks shy of 6 months old. exploiting and failrp are 2 different things, and exploiting bans are based solely off of advantage gained as per guidelines (or i guess malice and stuff too but its mostly advantage gained/damage caused) - which in this case is literally minimal. You can try and pretend like he was using this exploit maliciously to raid you, but again as shown in ur clips where your group and the moderator are all chasing him around ur base (one with a drilldo), its hard to argue that it was an extremely malicious raid attempt and that he was not just using a wheelchair fucking around in ur base. also slightly unrelated but thought it was funny that this is how extreme you guys believe this scenario to be (its a guy micspamming in a wheelchair), yet u didnt have fabrizio attempt to handle it ingame people criticising you guys for not handling it ingame solely for the purpose of dramafarming after messing around with the user exploiting (showing that it isnt as important as u guys have made this out to be and as shown in past replies this is all for drama) does not mean they are rape supporters. (for people that saw legerbs comment before it was hidden because im still getting asked to reply to it) I spoke with legerbs in dms, and agree with him that a 1 week ban for this is valid as its not a crazy severe thing, but does still count as exploiting. I am +1 for a 1 week ban on Smerexy for exploiting I will not vote on Fabrizio's staff status as I believe i've already made it clear enough in this thread what I think of him in a staff position. I’d like to add this, smer was banned in May by @TapWater69for the exact same thing. This is why I had called for a 1 month ban over something like a week (which had it been a first case of it I’d be voting for a week). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smer Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 32 minutes ago, F___ said: I’d like to add this, smer was banned in May by @TapWater69for the exact same thing. This is why I had called for a 1 month ban over something like a week (which had it been a first case of it I’d be voting for a week). i think there's a difference between exploiting into someone's base to blow up their entities and doing it in an completely empty base where there is nothing to be gained or lost, surely as administrator you understand the nuance and can see they're not the "exact same thing?" Edited October 9 by smer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kio Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I agree with F___ but I also agree with Tene and Wanted, there's levels to almost every rule break when it comes to severity of said rule that was broken. I would +1 for a month but no harm was done and everyone in the base at the time clearly did not care (Nothing was done in game at the time, which tells me no one truly gave a shit) This "exploit is exploit" is a horrible argument and means absolutely nothing. I don't really see why someone would call you bias @Fabriziofor doing your job, if you stick to punishment guidelines they truly can't do shit to you, they can cry and scream bias all they want... you're 100% immune to any punishment that would come your way IF you stick to the guidelines. Going back to what I said above (severity of bans) if I exploited into @TapWater69base, checked his gyat out thn kill binded I don't see a reason to go for max punishment, no harm was done (except the rule break) but if I exploited into his base, destroyed all ents, killed them all, took their leggys and called his mum fat in OOC I can see max punishment being enforced. @smer clearly didn't have bad intentions but they did exploit. Which is why I'll be +1 for week ban As for Fabrizio to my knowledge man's has zero strikes (correct me if I'm wrong) and what he did wasn't 100% wrong. I don't agree with the way he handled this but a demotion is a reach I believe. +1 for strike 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Tomoko Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 clips is clear on how smer exploited and should not go without punishment +1 for week ban imo for Fabrizio , openly reach out to other staff in chat neutral decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKStoner Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) Changing my vote on smers punishment, a week is sensible but with giving smer a ban, i dont think we should ignore that in every single clip regarding this situation it was joked about in chat. I feel like all this joking and drama stirring that was done between it actually happening up to where this report was made and some of what has been said since this report was made. I am still 100% adamant on this report being made to cause drama and give cancer. my new vote is +1 for 1 week ban on smer +1 For strike on fabrizio +1 for warn for Drama mongering on the players Bzoi(him), daniel (Noob basers), minato,batteryeaterog,,rackcity Going around and saying "forums event incoming" calling staff members biased with little basis, and making a meme about it is 100% drama mongering in my eyes and then while this report is up comparing this situation to rape for some reason, which started an argument in the chat among other things that have been said This was engineered to be a 6+ page spectacle This behavior regarding a rule break is not how players should react if they want to make a forums report and I think the people behind this report knew what kind of drama will ensue with the things they said during this entire situation And for the strike on fabrizio, he absolutely should not have left us in the dark about this and shouldve brought it to staffs attention as soon as possible instead of ignoring it out of fear of being accused for bias Edited October 9 by Gohan forgot two of the people who were involved 3 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleazies velk.ca Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gohan said: Changing my vote on smers punishment, a week is sensible but with giving smer a ban, i dont think we should ignore that in every single clip regarding this situation it was joked about in chat. I feel like all this joking and drama stirring that was done between it actually happening up to where this report was made and some of what has been said since this report was made. I am still 100% adamant on this report being made to cause drama and give cancer. my new vote is +1 for 1 week ban on smer +1 For strike on fabrizio +1 for warn for Drama mongering on the players Bzoi(him), daniel (Noob basers), minato Going around and saying "forums event incoming" calling staff members biased with little basis, and making a meme about it is 100% drama mongering in my eyes and then while this report is up comparing this situation to rape for some reason, which started an argument in the chat among other things that have been said This was engineered to be a 6+ page spectacle This behavior regarding a rule break is not how players should react if they want to make a forums report and I think the people behind this report knew what kind of drama will ensue with the things they said during this entire situation And for the strike on fabrizio, he absolutely should not have left us in the dark about this and shouldve brought it to staffs attention as soon as possible instead of ignoring it out of fear of being accused for bias Hello! Why are you trying to get us warned when we were the victims Where is the love? Thanks for reading! NOOB BASERS Edited October 9 by Fleazies velk.ca TYPO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcitybitch Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 hours ago, Gohan said: Changing my vote on smers punishment, a week is sensible but with giving smer a ban, i dont think we should ignore that in every single clip regarding this situation it was joked about in chat. I feel like all this joking and drama stirring that was done between it actually happening up to where this report was made and some of what has been said since this report was made. I am still 100% adamant on this report being made to cause drama and give cancer. my new vote is +1 for 1 week ban on smer +1 For strike on fabrizio +1 for warn for Drama mongering on the players Bzoi(him), daniel (Noob basers), minato Going around and saying "forums event incoming" calling staff members biased with little basis, and making a meme about it is 100% drama mongering in my eyes and then while this report is up comparing this situation to rape for some reason, which started an argument in the chat among other things that have been said This was engineered to be a 6+ page spectacle This behavior regarding a rule break is not how players should react if they want to make a forums report and I think the people behind this report knew what kind of drama will ensue with the things they said during this entire situation And for the strike on fabrizio, he absolutely should not have left us in the dark about this and shouldve brought it to staffs attention as soon as possible instead of ignoring it out of fear of being accused for bias okay can you please explain in detail what minato did before i just assume you are making shit up LOL i didnt even know he was involved in this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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