Report on PLANTLOVER1952, IMPERSONATION, EXPLOITING, FAILRAIDS

[Fabrizio]

11 minutes ago, Terrry said:

Annex stated it very well. If you didnt want him to exploit why even interact with him while hes doing said exploit. You should have stopped him as soon as it started. 

 

Based on the guidelines and seeing that smer gained nothing from doing the exploit +1 for a verbal and no further punishment

fair enough, we thought it was better to post on forums as doing something in server could end up  causing more damage, I guess we were wrong.I should’ve mentioned it in chat and that’s that. Should’ve asked around and reported in-game.  (Not adding smoke to anyone nor terrry here but I as well thought since terrry is in the party, he is maybe aware of what’s going on and would tell them to not do it(which is what I should’ve done.)) I still should’ve stepped in and finished it off there ingame instead of blowing it all up. and for the drama part that tene was speaking about- that was never planned from me or anyone, I apologize if it seemed that way.

Edited October 7 by Fabrizio

[JeromeASF]

6 minutes ago, Fabrizio said:

 (Not adding smoke to anyone nor terrry here but I as well thought since terrry is in the party, he is maybe aware of what’s going on and would tell them to not do it(which is what I should’ve done.))

I was making dinner when all of this went down 

[Tene]

26 minutes ago, Fabrizio said:

fair enough, we thought it was better to post on forums as doing something in server could end up  causing more damage, I guess we were wrong.I should’ve mentioned it in chat and that’s that. Should’ve asked around and reported in-game.  

terry wasnt even online as far as i remember during this.

how would doing it in the server (with 8 STAFF ONLINE) cause more damage than 3 forums post made with the intent of dramafarming (AS SHOWN BY YOUR SPAM ADVERTS ADVERTISING THE FORUMS POST BEING DROPPED BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN MADE)
 

 

26 minutes ago, Fabrizio said:

(Not adding smoke to anyone nor terrry here but I as well thought since terrry is in the party, he is maybe aware of what’s going on and would tell them to not do it(which is what I should’ve done.)

so you were afraid to take action in case smer would STOP exploiting due to terry (who was afk or not even on at the time i forget) telling him to? Wtf is this point, you WANTED him to keep exploiting? despite already having proof? you literally are admitting that u did nothing and asked no other staff because u didnt want anyone to tell smer to stop exploiting.. lol.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Fabrizio said:

and for the drama part that tene was speaking about- that was never planned from me or anyone, I apologize if it seemed that way.

not planned by u or anyone but u didnt want smer to stop exploiting u didnt want to deal with it ingame because u knew from the start it would be a forums report and then u guys go and spam advert it for more attention and drama.

you got upset at me when i joked and said in advert counter-forums event tonight @Fabrizio, you messaged me in staff chat offended by what i had said and insisted not to handle it ingame because u guys wanted to handle it on the forums (after promoting it of course).
does it not show that you understand how much attention and drama you were trying to farm if you yourself got upset when someone else made the same advert but included your name? You guys were boasting about it being a ''big forums event'' and as you claim, knew about making it a forums post from the start.
You made this whole thing take place on forums not only due to staff incompetence but because you wanted drama. Here is your big forums event!

Thank god the moderator so badly affected by the exploiter wanted him to continue, didnt tell staff because then they would tell him to stop, messed around with the exploiter, then had a friend spam promote the big forums event that he had put so much effort into ensuring would take place by making sure no one else would handle it ingame, not even himself. 

Edited October 7 by Tene

[Fabrizio]

17 minutes ago, Tene said:

terry wasnt even online as far as i remember during this.

how would doing it in the server (with 8 STAFF ONLINE) cause more damage than 3 forums post made with the intent of dramafarming (AS SHOWN BY YOUR SPAM ADVERTS ADVERTISING THE FORUMS POST BEING DROPPED BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN MADE)
 

 

so you were afraid to take action in case smer would STOP exploiting due to terry (who was afk or not even on at the time i forget) telling him to? Wtf is this point, you WANTED him to keep exploiting? despite already having proof? you literally are admitting that u did nothing and asked no other staff because u didnt want anyone to tell smer to stop exploiting.. lol.

 

 

not planned by u or anyone but u didnt want smer to stop exploiting u didnt want to deal with it ingame because u knew from the start it would be a forums report and then u guys go and spam advert it for more attention and drama.

you got upset at me when i joked and said in advert counter-forums event tonight @Fabrizio, you messaged me in staff chat offended by what i had said and insisted not to handle it ingame because u guys wanted to handle it on the forums (after promoting it of course).
does it not show that you understand how much attention and drama you were trying to farm if you yourself got upset when someone else made the same advert but included your name? You guys were boasting about it being a ''big forums event'' and as you claim, knew about making it a forums post from the start.
You made this whole thing take place on forums not only due to staff incompetence but because you wanted drama. Here is your big forums event!

Thank god the moderator so badly affected by the exploiter wanted him to continue, didnt tell staff because then they would tell him to stop, messed around with the exploiter, then had a friend spam promote the big forums event that he had put so much effort into ensuring would take place by making sure no one else would handle it ingame, not even himself. 

i told you let’s not argue here between me and you as there’s no point and that this exact thing will happen in forums, i never farmed and posted that it would go on forums as far as i remember (if you have logs then im wrong) your only showing battery eater logs so im not sure. I just asked why your putting my name as i never spoke about it or mentioned it in advert chat. Never did it to cause drama, your pulling thst out from no where brother….

 

lets not forget this has already happened before and they have gotten punished for it. 

 

 

 

most in here as well are just bashing my skull in for what I thought to do to avoid bias,  being gaslight just for doing what I think was right. And tene you saying that I’m promoting drama and everything in between that? Is insanely BS. Look at my record from staffing and in the entire server and i’m sure I haven’t caused drama like this ever. I never made this drama because a thing and never encouraged it. Please don’t say that I did as it is straight lies.

Edited October 7 by Fabrizio

[Tene]

13 minutes ago, Fabrizio said:

i told you let’s not argue here between me and you as there’s no point and that this exact thing will happen in forums, i never farmed and posted that it would go on forums as far as i remember (if you have logs then im wrong) your only showing battery eater logs so im not sure. I just asked why your putting my name as i never spoke about it or mentioned it in advert chat. Never did it to cause drama, your pulling thst out from no where brother 

ur own words in this thread show that ''u guys'' (so you're all in a group effort to make this report) knew about making this a forums report from the beginning. your own words you say that you didnt ask other staff out of fear that terry would tell smer to stop - so you wanted smer to continue his exploiting and didnt want to handle it ingame. the member from your group was spam promoting the forums post that ''u guys'' (you say 'we' but) were all prepared to make in the beginning - the same forums post you, as a staff member, decided against handling punishments ingame for, in order to allow for this report to exist.

your last words were ''lets not argue here''. you are forgetting the entire conversation we had before that in which you took offense by me including ur name in a potential counter report, but u were fine with your own group member promoting YOUR report. You said ingame that you were avoiding any ingame punishments because you wanted it on the forums - you said this AFTER your friend was promoting a ''big forums event''.

The staff guidelines say to not be INVOLVED in drama, your GROUP as you claimed him to be a part of earlier in this forums post were directly trying to dramamonger the post that you had put so much effort in ensuring would exist.

Why did you do so much in order for this forums post to be made and for no action to be taken ingame if it WASNT for the drama? Your original defense ingame was because u didnt want to be seen as bias, then it turned into ''shedding light'' for other staff to make a decision (which you could have done by asking in staff chat, but as uve said u didnt want to do that because if u asked in staff chat it wouldve been dealt with ingame and u wanted a big forums event, quite contradictory to this whole shedding light reasoning), now its because your group had planned to do so from the start because it was damaging (?) for it to be handled ingame.

I will now sleep.

Edited October 7 by Tene

[Heosphoros]

I am not sure why we are going back and forth over something so clear-cut, but I see a player exploiting someone's base in the clips, and a staff member just letting it happen. In my opinion, the player should be banned for exploiting, and the staff member should be demoted or given a strike for turning a blind eye to it. Whether it is harmless or not, it is exploiting, and a staff member turning a blind eye to it is uncalled for.

Edited October 8 by Heosphoros
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[Harpuricle]

On 10/7/2024 at 8:59 PM, Heosphoros said:

I am not sure why we are going back and forth over something so clear-cut, but I see a player exploiting someone's base in the clips, and a staff member just letting it happen. In my opinion, the player should be banned for exploiting, and the staff member should be demoted or given a strike for turning a blind eye to it. Whether it is harmless or not, it is exploiting, and a staff member turning a blind eye to it is uncalled for.

I remember something similar happening besides the whole drama, and that the staff who allowed two people exploit into particular areas got demoted as a result. The difference in that situation is that other staff was a T-Mod who was still pretty new to GMod despite having decent time on the server. Fabrizio in the other hand has been a moderator for MONTHS and has been staff before, so he should know at this point to NOT ONLY let this sort of behavior occur, but to not cause any sort of drama in which he has failed to do. This is not a good look whatsoever. Meanwhile, Smer has had been punished for exploiting before, and even then he has been playing since 2017 (maybe even earlier), so he knows very well that exploiting isn't allowed. However, the results of his exploiting did not cause anything crazy and appears to really be a set up by the reporting party, so it should be left with a verbal so staff are aware that smer knows how to exploit.

 

+1 for smer to be given a verbal

+1 for Fabrizio to be demoted

Edited October 14 by Harpuricle

[KKStoner]

53 minutes ago, Heosphoros said:

I am not sure why we are going back and forth over something so clear-cut, but I see a player exploiting someone's base in the clips, and a staff member just letting it happen. In my opinion, the player should be banned for exploiting, and the staff member should be demoted or given a strike for turning a blind eye to it. Whether it is harmless or not, it is exploiting, and a staff member turning a blind eye to it is uncalled for.

I mostly disagree, this report was made to be an ass, and no amount of words will prove that wrong. you can scream bias like some have said, but annex put it perfectly if we allow players to encourage rule breaks then report them to be an ass we are giving them exactly what they want. I think what should come of this with fabrizio should be discussed by higher ups

[F___]

Idk why its a discussion for smer to get a verbal for exploiting here, its exploiting, doesn't matter the intent exploiting is exploiting and this wouldn't the frist time smer has been caught exploiting. 

 

IMO bare minimum should be a ban not a slap on the wrist and walk away from it scott free.

 

As for Fabrizio, being a staff member who watch it happen and did nothing about it something has to be done there. If he had done what he's supposed to this report wouldn't exist in the first place. Some sort of punishment should come from this to Fabrizio whether it be a strike or demote.

 

+1 for minimum 1 month ban for smer

+1 for Strike/demote on Fabrizio 

[WantedNearby]

I don't get the exploiting is exploiting. There's different degrees to it lmao. I'm also not sure when exploiting bans became 1 month by default when it used to be 1 week for most exploits and maybe longer depending on the harm done. It's not duping money and it's not affecting anything. I would say it was encouraged when there's a staff member in the base saying nothing and the base members are following him around joking with him. There were like 9 other staff on at the time so Fabrizio easily could've gotten someone else to do a sit if he's afraid to look biased. From what i've seen it looks like that wasn't the case and they just wanted a "forums event"

 

If the person who made this report wants to admit it was petty and they didn't care (since they said nothing at all in game and even played along with the joke) then I will be -1 for demote on fabrizio.

 

If this is as big a deal as you're making it out to be:

 

+1 for week ban on smer

+1 for demote on fabrizio

Edited October 8 by WantedNearby