Kiezuh - Clear abuse of Senior Mod superiority, allowing for rulebreak, FailRP

[Tene]

Your In-Game Name:

You

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:149067056

Who are you reporting?:

KiezuhCX | STEAM_0:1:187030082

Why are you reporting this player?:

This player had a dupe in the middle of the street, almost entirely blocking the tunnel, as a hobo - which Terrry (another user) had reported, Terrry was told that since he was the only one complaining about it it was not going to be removed. This alone seems foolish to say as a staff member, if ANYONE has an issue with something which is a clear rulebreak, AND they call a sit about it, that should be dealt with, you shouldn't wait for multiple reports to deal with an issue.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135337129443074130/1135749733864964146/image.png?width=890&height=394
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135337129443074130/1135749811598012477/image.png?width=910&height=316 -- ignore past 21:20:43

After this, I attempted to go back to my base in industrial, and the building in the street was blocking at least 3/4 of the tunnel, which was annoying to have to jetpack through/move around near going back and forth from my base, so I also made a report as there's no reason why it should be up as it not only should be considered some form of propblock, but also FailRP for building on the street. I then call a sit on Kiezuh's dupe to get it removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ii51bH7VeI -- Full clip of sit + what happened after


Things Kiezuh did in the video:
Takes own sit despite other smods/mods being online
Claims it's ok because there is a clear path (rule states no building in street)
Calls me a 'winer' (blud cant spell :skull:) for calling a sit and says he'll move it over
Removes his dupe ! Replaces it as I'm about to leave to block me!

"You know what's funny is you can't tell me what to do!" - SMod after being called out for breaking rule clearly stated in MOTD.
"if you have an issue, make a forums report!" - After calling sit and him refusing to admit he broke a rule/change it solely because he's Senior Mod.
Tries loopholing the rule "I'm building ONTO the sidewalk, not IN the street!" as he spawns his dupe from sidewalk extending to street.

He starts talking about how the other guy is breaking the rule (as an excuse as to why he should be allowed to break the rules) - i say that hey if the guys not a preacher I might
"I am a senior moderator, and I could be enforcing this but I don't" -Kiezuh
Apparently new staff are meant to handle all rulebreaks, whether this is fact or not I could care less, he's aware of a seperate rulebreak but isn't taking care of it. He says it's because no one else is bothered by it, sure, understandable, but using it as a reasoning behind NOT removing your own rulebreak because YOU are too LAZY to deal with someone else's is a silly excuse.

2 people reported Kiezuh for this, and he kept it up for a while, then swapped to Cop to place a PD checkpoint down in that tunnel (most certainly to spite/annoy me), and then tries to raid my base 20 minutes after

While the last part isn't directly a rulebreak, its quite clear that he is bias towards me/terrry and claims our opinions/reports as invalid or null. He claimed his own sit, refused to either fix the issue or punish himself, despite the rule then being pasted in chat multiple times, then says to 'take it to the forums' because he, as a senior moderator, can simply REFUSE to handle rulebreaks/sits on himself, and then force players to either deal with it or go through the reporting process.

This man is not fit for SMOD at all, his attitude and way he acted during the situation / after just shows that he should not be in this role of authority over players, he is clearly powertripping with the whole "you cant tell me what to do" when I call him out for rulebreaks.


(he was in call with 3 other smods during this situation btw no shade to them but cmon man)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135337129443074130/1135745721958670356/image.png?width=138&height=114

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

Relevant Info:

all links are provided above but i can repost here
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135337129443074130/1135749733864964146/image.png?width=890&height=394 -- reply to terry #1
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135337129443074130/1135749811598012477/image.png?width=910&height=316 - reply to terry #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ii51bH7VeI -- sit + after

Edited August 1, 2023 by Tene

[Ironfish1]

          Hello Tene, I can understand your frustration with this incident, and I would like to apologize first and foremost that you had to deal with this. However, I will say that this seems like such a stretch. Like you said yourself, only two people out of the 100+ that were on had an issue with the public base. He had that base up to promote RP, not for any personal gain, or to only hinder your experience. There was 0 malicious intent with this base, but you took issue with it just because you wanted to. You could call this being biased or nitpicking because Kiezuh is Staff, in all reality though if it is not obnoxiously large, or completely blocking off the path, there is no problem with it. Best example of this is Dude Abides. He has the krusty krab dupe, big ben, etc... No one has an issue with these since they promote roleplay. The intent matters.

 

         I will address the quotes from kiezuh to you as well; "You know what's funny is you can't tell me what to do!". Technically he is not false in this. While it could 100% be worded much more professionally so it does not come off egotistical, it is a true statement. A much better way to word this would have been; "I disagree with what you're saying, if there is an issue on your behalf please take it up on the forums. If we continue talking it will go nowhere". That leads in to the, make a forums report quote. He is supposed to say that, you have an issue with what he's doing, he's saying it's allowed. You should then go make a forums report. The third quote: "I'm building ONTO the sidewalk, not IN the street!". This one I completely agree with you on, that does seem loopholey, but I feel that was his only justification in the moment for having a public base. "I am a senior moderator, and I could be enforcing this but I don't", this is horribly misquoted to fit your agenda. What he said specifically was "I am a senior moderator, and I could be enforcing this but I don't, because it's not a big issue, it's not impeding my players play-". That is how we operate as a staff team. If players do not have an issue with a certain rule break then we do not need to take action, unless it is a major rulebreak. That was taken directly out of our staffing guidelines. We are not some tyrannical staff team, if the community is having fun, why should we strike the hammer down on them for building a public base on the street, or having a sky base for parkour. 

 

         In conclusion, this seems like nothing but an attempt from you to try and get a staff member in trouble, Kiezuh did make an amazing point. There were 3+ other rule infractions of the same severity within eyeshot of Kiezuh's public base, but his base was the only one you took issue with. At the end of the day what you were asking for was "Make it easier for me to jetpack to my base, I don't like having to take half a second to change the trajectory of where I'm moving. So please remove this public base people are roleplaying in." I am a -1 for this report. If I was there and took this ticket, I would have said the same thing, go make a report on the forums the base is staying up, regardless of if it was Kiezuh or not.

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

 

Edit Reason: After speaking with Tene in Discord and seeing what his main concerns were, I am going to be revising this. I am a -1 for this report in the aspect of getting in trouble for the rule violation, building in the street. I am a +1 for the report in the aspect of Kiezuh behaving unprofessionally. 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by Ironfish1

[kiezuh]

49 minutes ago, Tene said:

-- Full clip of sit + what happened afters

Despite the fact me calling you and terrry out for "whining" in ooc. both of you should have called a sit the first instance you had a issue with this. TBF The rule of not building on the road should be more explanatory considering how many players

we have that do such things. Take abides and his smoking dupe in the road every other day not a soul has an issue with it. I even switched to the hobo for terry as he requested.
 

1 hour ago, Tene said:

Things Kiezuh did in the video:
Takes own sit despite other smods/mods being online
Claims it's ok because there is a clear path (rule states no building in street)
Calls me a 'winer' (blud cant spell :skull:) for calling a sit and says he'll move it over
Removes his dupe ! Replaces it as I'm about to leave to block me!

For this one we are 100% able to take our own sits no matter the rank. If the player calling said sit has an issue they can always ask for another staff member to either take the sit over or be watched over
I would never call anyone a whiner for calling a sit, but if a player who knows well enough they can make a sit to resolve the issue instead of demanding in OOC that i remove all of my props ofcourse im going to call you a whiner because its what you are doing. I apologize sincerly if that offends you however there are otherways you could have gone about receiving help. 
Yes i did a meme and place the dupe infront of tunnel i am very sorry if i blocked you.

 

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, Tene said:

 

Here shows that terrry could have gone and made a sit before going to ooc and dragging friends into the situation i feel like you could have pulled more logs here for proof.

 

1 hour ago, Tene said:

(he was in call with 3 other smods during this situation btw no shade to them but cmon man)

Here no one was necessarily involved in this particular situation a discord call with us all in there does not prove much other than we were just there talking. other than succ helping me do a checkpoint which is totally allowed.

 

1 hour ago, Tene said:

He starts talking about how the other guy is breaking the rule (as an excuse as to why he should be allowed to break the rules) - i say that hey if the guys not a preacher I might
"I am a senior moderator, and I could be enforcing this but I don't" -Kiezuh

Here i was simply trying to give you a example. I was trying to explain if its not effecting anyone why would i go out of my way to ruin someone else's fun?.

1 hour ago, Tene said:

(he was in call with 3 other smods during this situation btw no shade to them but cmon man)

I am going to -1 this.
i feel like this could have been handle alot better from all of us considering our history on the server.

[Tene]

Hello Ironfish, 

 

4 minutes ago, Ironfish1 said:

          Hello Tene, I can understand your frustration with this incident, and I would like to apologize first and foremost that you had to deal with this. However, I will say that this seems like such a stretch. Like you said yourself, only two people out of the 100+ that were on had an issue with the public base. He had that base up to promote RP, not for any personal gain, or to only hinder your experience. There was 0 malicious intent with this base, but you took issue with it just because you wanted to. You could call this being biased or nitpicking because Kiezuh is Staff, in all reality though if it is not obnoxiously large, or completely blocking off the path, there is no problem with it. Best example of this is Dude Abides. He has the krusty krab dupe, big ben, etc... No one has an issue with these since they promote roleplay. The intent matters

I think you'll find that the dupe was indeed massive and blocked off most of the tunnel, to say that the 2 people complaining about it have an invalid opinion because there are more people on the server that are simply dealing with it seems silly. If this was the case could you not say the same about MRDMers who kill 3 people out of the 100? At what point is it considered an issue worth handling? Is it not if 1 person calls a report that report is handled and any rulebreaks are dealt with? I didn't know we now need to have it so unless everyone has an issue with it I can break as many rules as I please. Seems silly to completely allow rulebreaks when players have clearly shown issue with it, just because other's aren't having an issue with it -- a rulebreak is a rulebreak, and if 1 person doesn't like it, it should be dealt with, simple as.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Ironfish1 said:

  I will address the quotes from kiezuh to you as well; "You know what's funny is you can't tell me what to do!". Technically he is not false in this. While it could 100% be worded much more professionally so it does not come off egotistical, it is a true statement.

I told him he was breaking the rules (written in MOTD clear as day) and told him to remove it and put it anywhere else. This is clearly abuse of his rank, just because I am not a higher rank than him I can't tell him what to do? Even if its blatantly breaking the rules? How are we saying that's not abusing his rank? It shouldn't matter if I can/cant tell him what to do, I pasted the rule in chat and told him to remove it after he said he would move it off of the street, which he didn't do.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Ironfish1 said:

He is supposed to say that, you have an issue with what he's doing, he's saying it's allowed. You should then go make a forums report.

So smods can just say something written in the motd is allowed and its fine? This is why I made the forums report, he clearly broke a rule and continued breaking it, saying I had to report him on the forums when it's clearly written that it's not allowed, its quite obvious abuse of power.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Ironfish1 said:

. "I am a senior moderator, and I could be enforcing this but I don't", this is horribly misquoted to fit your agenda. What he said specifically was "I am a senior moderator, and I could be enforcing this but I don't, because it's not a big issue, it's not impeding my players play-". That is how we operate as a staff team. If players do not have an issue with a certain rule break then we do not need to take action, unless it is a major rulebreak. That was taken directly out of our staffing guidelines. We are not some tyrannical staff team, if the community is having fun, why should we strike the hammer down on them for building a public base on the street, or having a sky base for parkour. 

Not at all, in my comment under that quote I replied to the entire thing he said. You're saying that because 1 other person also is breaking a rule he can break a rule? 
If players do not have an issue I understand entirely not acting on it, but I had an issue with his base, terry had an issue with his base, the MOTD states that his base is NOT allowed, yet he used this other base as an excuse for him to not remove his own.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Ironfish1 said:

 In conclusion, this seems like nothing but an attempt from you to try and get a staff member in trouble, Kiezuh did make an amazing point. There were 3+ other rule infractions of the same severity within eyeshot of Kiezuh's public base, but his base was the only one you took issue with. At the end of the day what you were asking for was "Make it easier for me to jetpack to my base, I don't like having to take half a second to change the trajectory of where I'm moving. So please remove this public base people are roleplaying in." I am a -1 for this report. If I was there and took this ticket, I would have said the same thing, go make a report on the forums the base is staying up, regardless of if it was Kiezuh or not.

I have no issue with Kiezuh, incredibly weird to make the assumption that I'm making this report out of malice to get him in trouble, the issue wasn't handled in game and he clearly isn't fit to be in an authoritative role, and I was told BY HIM to report him on the forums. Kiezuh's "amazing point" has nothing to do with me, I had no issues with them so I didn't report them, but I had an issue with his base so I did report him, if I have an issue with 1 guy am I meant to have issues with everyone? I wasn't affected by the other people's bases so I had no reason to report, his base directly affected me as it meant exiting/getting to the district of my base was made annoying/longer. Him not dealing with those rule-breaks is on him, not me, and besides even if I reported them they wouldn't have been taken down since I'm 1 person and you need a majority to report a rulebreak it seems. If he wants to make his public roleplay base he can do that as long as it follows the rule and isn't disrupting anybody.
 

[Succ The Zucc]

This is literally what Terrry did to me like a week after not being staff anymore!!! I just removed it because I didn't want a silly report on me for it...

 

Speaking of though like the vast majority a few of the players on literally said you were whining and one dude even said wah. I think it's clear this was just directed at Kiezuh because he's who he is because if you wanted to actually uphold the rules you would have done it with literally EVERY OTHER RP BASE THAT WAS THERE which is why this whole thing is overall just a dumb report in my opinion.

 

Making new reply

Edited August 1, 2023 by Succ The Zucc
Needed added effect/Kilobyte enlightened me

[Tene]

16 minutes ago, kiezuh said:

Despite the fact me calling you and terrry out for "whining" in ooc. both of you should have called a sit the first instance you had a issue with this. TBF The rule of not building on the road should be more explanatory considering how many players

Hey, you denied Terrry's first sit and told him to ask in OOC. He asked you in OOC and you refused, so he made another sit, and you refused. I encountered the same issue being complained about so I also made a sit. You TOLD Terry to complain in OOC.
Also (didnt quote rest of ur thing but) to say that it's ok because other people do it and have no issue seems foolish.
 

 

17 minutes ago, kiezuh said:

For this one we are 100% able to take our own sits no matter the rank. If the player calling said sit has an issue they can always ask for another staff member to either take the sit over or be watched over
I would never call anyone a whiner for calling a sit, but if a player who knows well enough they can make a sit to resolve the issue instead of demanding in OOC that i remove all of my props ofcourse im going to call you a whiner because its what you are doing. I apologize sincerly if that offends you however there are otherways you could have gone about receiving help. 

Yes, you can take your own sits as long as you're not bias, if you feel you're going to be biased then you shouldn't take your own sits -- This was either bias or powertripping from you during the sit/after sit
Again, Terry was told to request in OOC, i said to terry 'this dupe is cancer failbase should i call a sit'  - he replies: 'i already tried he told me to ask in ooc'. Call me a whiner for following your directives I guess but maybe not in the sit, I honestly don't care about the whiner part that much but definitely not the most professional thing to do.

 

 

23 minutes ago, kiezuh said:

Here i was simply trying to give you a example. I was trying to explain if its not effecting anyone why would i go out of my way to ruin someone else's fun?.
i feel like this could have been handle alot better from all of us considering our history on the server.

But it was affecting 2 people, and you are/were breaking a rule and I had an issue with it. Your whole thing shouldn't be ''well this guy and this guy are also breaking rules so my rule break shouldnt be counted as a legitimate one that I have to deal with'' - it should be "Hey you're right I am breaking a rule but I thought it was fine since others are breaking similar rules. since you have an issue and Im in the wrong I'll move it for you"

Not sure what you wanted me to handle a lot better, I called a sit and provided the direct rule which showed you where you weren't allowed, you clearly went on a power trip saying I can't tell you what to do when i am providing the literal rule stating you cannot do what you are doing, your reply shouldn't then be ''hey u cant tell me what to do take it to the forums!''


As for all other staff, not sure how this is being -1ed, I've provided evidence of him breaking a literal rule and not wanting to punish himself or get rid of the rulebreak. What more needs to be done on a report?

[Tene]

31 minutes ago, Succ The Zucc said:

Speaking of though like the vast majority of the players on literally said you were whining and one dude said wah. I think it's clear this was just directed at Kiezuh because he's who he is because if you wanted to actually uphold the rules you would have done it with literally EVERY OTHER RP BASE THAT WAS THERE which is why this whole thing is overall just a dumb report in my opinion. 

I legit don't even know who Kiezuh is, I never met him before (ik hes OG or something but never talked to him), not sure where you guys are getting this narrative that i hate kiezuh so im making this report, completely invalid and shouldn't be used as a counter to my claims + evidence of him repeatedly breaking a rule and refusing to stop.


If i wanted to uphold the rules I would have done it with every other RP base.. hmm. so if i want to report a base that I am having issues with, i need to report all other bases that im not having issues with? Are we making rules on reporting things now? Maybe if every other rp base is against the rules they should be removed? I also only noticed 1 (the skybase), which I told kiezuh that if he's not a preacher I might report him for his skybase. 


Staff guidelines state this, Kiezuh did not follow the server rules so I reported him, he also told me to report him so I did, replying to this thread with my reason for reporting being that its Kiezuh is stupid and ignorant -- aka you havent actually read anything in this thread. We tried handling it in game,


Is this not exactly what Kiezuh is doing? (the latter), he's also a senior moderator, doing the whole 'well he is breaking rules why cant i' thing is way past him.

1 sit -> denied "ask in ooc!" -> OOC is then used -> denied "make a report" Terry calls sit -> denied "only you are bothered by it" -> I make sit "ok man ill move it" -> repastes it a meter away, still breaking the same rule and blocking the path, laughing as he does it -> hey heres the rule saying you cant do it -> "u cant tell me what to do" -> "make forums report" -> forums report is made -> "you clearly only made this report because its Kiezuh (a guy you never heard of) and you definitely have a grudge against him!"

what am i meant to do? i tried in game and got told to take it to the forums, i take it to the forums im being told i dont actually care about the rulebreak just want to make life for this guy ive never met before miserable?

Edited August 1, 2023 by Tene

[Tene]

Sorry for adding a ton of replies but this is entirely baffling to me. 



(yes ik agrobot maybe lied or something but still the fact its worthy of a warning or whatever punishment riddim was given seems silly to then backtrack on whenever u want to do it)

You guys demoted him + gave riddim a warning (im guessing) for not punishing a rulebreaker, but when you guys do it it's fine? I can understand the whole "yeah but no1 was having issues with this rulebreaker whereas they were with agrobots rulebreaker" argument being made, but is this not just the same thing? Kiezuh and Succ (from zuccs reply) both let 3+ bases that broke rules stay up, and that's fine? 

Sure these aren't identical scenarios but using other rulebreaks as an excuse for your own is silly enough, to then loop-back on something you literally demoted someone over whenever you want to do the same thing is a clear abuse of power no? "but people werent bothered" - and when someone is bothered you say ''theres 100 players online just because you're bothered doesnt mean the majority are'' ?

Edited August 1, 2023 by Tene

[Ironfish1]

6 minutes ago, Tene said:

Sorry for adding a ton of replies but this is entirely baffling to me. 



You guys demoted him + gave riddim a warning (im guessing) for not punishing a rulebreaker, but when you guys do it it's fine? I can understand the whole "yeah but no1 was having issues with this rulebreaker whereas they were with agrobots rulebreaker" argument being made, but is this not just the same thing? Kiezuh and Succ (from zuccs reply) both let 3+ bases that broke rules stay up, and that's fine? 

Sure these aren't identical scenarios but using other rulebreaks as an excuse for your own is silly enough, to then loop-back on something you literally demoted someone over whenever you want to do the same thing is a clear abuse of power no? "but people werent bothered" - and when someone is bothered you say ''theres 100 players online just because you're bothered doesnt mean the majority are'' ?

         Hello once again Tene! All I am going to do here is inform you that AgroBot is mistaken or withholding specific information surrounding his demotion. It is not my position to say exactly what he was demoted for, or to correct his mistakes. If he wants to say that is what he was demoted for, he is allowed in that. The only reason I am bringing this up is because everything you said that hinged off the belief of AgroBot being demoted for allowing rule breaks would therein have less merit towards your point. I am attempting to clear up any miscommunications between the two as to keep this report factual, no ill intent towards you. I will also say thank you for doing your due diligence at attempting to find more evidence to validate your report.

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

[Tene]

2 minutes ago, Ironfish1 said:

         Hello once again Tene! All I am going to do here is inform you that AgroBot is mistaken or withholding specific information surrounding his demotion. It is not my position to say exactly what he was demoted for, or to correct his mistakes. If he wants to say that is what he was demoted for, he is allowed in that. The only reason I am bringing this up is because everything you said that hinged off the belief of AgroBot being demoted for allowing rule breaks would therein have less merit towards your point. I am attempting to clear up any miscommunications between the two as to keep this report factual, no ill intent towards you. I will also say thank you for doing your due diligence at attempting to find more evidence to validate your report.

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

yeah ty it wasnt the main basis of my report, but i know that he was demoted over that issue + others including lying so its not entirely that reason that caused a demotion. but as far as im aware riddim was given a strike or warning for the situation, implying that it is infact something that the smod team acknowledge as not being allowed! Thank you and make sure to reply to my other points as well as that one since that was just something I remembered whilst writing the reply!