Claypool report

[Dbboli01]

Your In-Game Name:

Dbboli01 / Lone survivor

Your Steam ID:

76561198116456603

Who are you reporting?:

Claypool

Why are you reporting this player?:

They broke Nlr 2+ times

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

Relevant Info:

https://youtu.be/87FZUVCOZgQ
not uploaded yet @ 3:30 Am est 7/9/2023

[riddim]

Hey Dbboli, thanks for the report!

From the clip, it looks like textbook NLR. It looked like he was going to do it a 3rd time but you didn't catch it.  You can also see when he kidnaps and walks behind into the base, he does not have a button to press to open his fading door, leading to me believing he used a button on his keyboard. This would be considered FDA. After he died, he came back and broke NLR and started killing everyone in his base. None of these kills are valid since he broke NLR. Over 3 kills is considered MRDM and in this clip it was clearly over 3 kills. Looking at his ban history, he just got off a ban for MRDM. 

+1 for 2 week ban for MRDM | NLR x2 | FDA 

Edited July 9, 2023 by riddim
ironfish is hawkeye

[Skritty]

Dear Dddoli01,

 

After watching your uploaded video evidence does indicate a breaking of N.L.R (New Life Rule). The corrective actions will be handled to ensure the offense is prosecuted to the fullest extent of TITRP's Law.

 

Thank you for your submission

 

Skritty

 

+1 for a 2 week ban for MRDM Repeat Offense | NLRx2 | FDA

Edited July 9, 2023 by Skritty

[Ironfish1]

               Hello Dbboli, as everyone else has said; thank you for the report. I would like to apologize that you had to go through this situation. I can see in the video that he NLR's twice. After he comes back to break NLR none of his kills are considered valid even if they were in his base or not, therefore he MRDM'd. There is also the fact that from 0:09 to 0:14 you can see his fading door is open, he does not look at his button once, yet his fading door closes, this is FDA. Claypool is by no means a new player on the server and should be decently informed on the rules by now after viewing his past offenses. I am a +1 for a 2 week ban for MRDM Repeat Offense | NLRx2 | FDA

 

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Ironfish1

[zoot]

Hello,

You raided me without any form of warrant, hence why you had to use your blowtorch instead of battering ram. Given that it was a fail raid, I did come back. I understand that I should have called staff, and I apologize for settling it personally rather than through staff, but I would like to be clear: there was no raid initiated. I would also like to add that “Cop Boy” and his friend “DogGod” were fail raiding me and consistently coming back over and over again prior to this, and I was honestly sick of it. Again, I understand I should have dealt with it through proper channels with staff, and I apologize, and I want to apologize to you, OP, for pulling all that when you weren’t involved in any of the mess that happened prior. 
Regardless of this, though, accusations of FDA, MNLR and MRDM are entirely baseless. I do have a button for the fading door that I keep open intentionally so I can run in fast. If you watch the video in its entirety, you can see that. Also, there was zero massRDM in this, I killed two people in my base. My first kill had nothing to do with the raid, it was a K9 who was biting myself and many others aimlessly. I admit to NLRing fully, I came back twice, and regardless of my reasoning, it was still NLR. I also understand that makes the two kills I got RDM, fail raid or no fail raid. I will however not accept the speculation that just because I used my jump SWEP leaving spawn (something literally everybody does) I am suddenly doing it a third time and MNLRing. I will admit to breaking NLR fully, but everybody chiming in with additional punishments have zero basis to do so from what I see.

As a final sidenote, Dbboli, you can use “@“ to report things like this and use the report system. There were several mods on at the time of this occurring, and any of them would gladly help you out. Again, I fully admit to breaking NLR, and I do apologize, but things were hectic as hell at the time, and I would’ve gladly let you know what was up and apologized at the time. 

 

I do have logs for this, but they are being sent to me as a txt file. I will sort through it tomorrow and provide the necessary evidence of the multiple fail raids and K9 biting everyone.

Edited July 9, 2023 by zoot
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[Ironfish1]

 Hello Zoot! I will gladly address your multiple concerns in order:

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You raided me without any form of warrant, hence why you had to use your blowtorch instead of battering ram. Given that it was a fail raid, I did come back.

They watched you kidnap someone and followed you into your base. This was in no way, shape, or form a fail raid. The only thing that I could see in here that was done incorrectly by the person recording was the instance of FailRP from using the blowtorch. A raid as defined in the rules is "Raiding: Having the intent to invade another person's home. Whether you're being harmful or not, trespassing someone else's house should be considered a raid.". As soon as they stepped foot into your house it was considered a raid especially given the intent they had upon entering.

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I would also like to add that “Cop Boy” and his friend “DogGod” were fail raiding me and consistently coming back over and over again prior to this, and I was honestly sick of it. Again, I understand I should have dealt with it through proper channels with staff...

There is a specific rule in our guidelines for this; "DO NOT take rule violations into your own hands, someone else breaking the rules doesn't mean you get to and you can be punished too". You say later in your response that Dbboli should have just used the in game ticket system, so why not give him the same grace that you are asking for? 

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Regardless of this, though, accusations of FDA, MNLR and MRDM are entirely baseless.

They simply are not baseless in the slightest. You clearly did FDA, when you were killed you were not looking anywhere near the button you have and the prop was faded, you die, Dbboli then looks back at your entrance and the prop is magically unfaded. No one accused you of MNLR, I have 0 idea where you are getting this from at all, the closest thing to it was Riddim suspecting that there was MNLR, in every response so far it has been a +1 for NLRx2. You did MRDM, you broke NLR and came back, killing 3 people.

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I admit to NLRing fully, I came back twice, and regardless of my reasoning, it was still NLR. I also understand that makes the two kills I got RDM, fail raid or no fail raid.

There were three kills. I understand you do not want to take accountability for killing DogGod, however at the 32 second mark you can not only hear your shotgun shooting DogGod, but you can see the bullets coming into your base. What this tells me is that A) You were past the no-collided prop on the entrance to your base, otherwise your bullets would have stopped on that prop and not gone inside your base. B) You therefore NLR'd to kill him as well regardless of if he bit you or not, they were in the process of freeing someone you kidnapped, you came back. 

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but everybody chiming in with additional punishments have zero basis to do so from what I see.

They have all the basis needed, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87FZUVCOZgQ

To conclude this, you clearly broke multiple different rules all within a one minute time frame, you yourself say you should have called staff, so why didn't you? My opinion on punishment remains the same.

Best Regards,

Ironfish1

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Ironfish1
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[riddim]

Ironfish took the words out my mouth. 

He said all that was needed to be said. All the proof is in the youtube clip. However you mentioned you have logs of all this, we would love to take a look at it. 

As of now my opinion still stands.

[BriskyBri]

With the video being provided , I would say that he has just recently come off of a mrdm ban and not only that he was going to attempt to break nlr for the third time, but you didn't catch it so really I don't think it should be 2 weeks. He has really only had one ban on his record so for now I will be going with +1 for 1 week ban Mrdm/FDA/NLR.

Edited July 9, 2023 by BriskyBri

[zoot]

Hello Ironfish,

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They watched you kidnap someone and followed you into your base. This was in no way, shape, or form a fail raid. The only thing that I could see in here that was done incorrectly by the person recording was the instance of FailRP from using the blowtorch. A raid as defined in the rules is "Raiding: Having the intent to invade another person's home. Whether you're being harmful or not, trespassing someone else's house should be considered a raid.". As soon as they stepped foot into your house it was considered a raid especially given the intent they had upon entering.

• Cops require a valid warrant in order to raid a base. Raiding a base without a warrant is FailRP unless the door is open and they have committed a crime.

The door to the cell was not open, which why they used a blowtorch on it. If the raid itself is brought up through FailRP, it is a fail raid. I'd like to also add that raiding is a crime by default, which is only circumvented through warrants. Regardless, though, I am not here to nitpick what Dbboli did wrong, I'm here to defend/explain my actions. Either way, I should have called staff rather than come back, I understand this, I just wanted to give full context to the situation and explain my reasoning.

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There is a specific rule in our guidelines for this; "DO NOT take rule violations into your own hands, someone else breaking the rules doesn't mean you get to and you can be punished too". You say later in your response that Dbboli should have just used the in game ticket system, so why not give him the same grace that you are asking for? 

The first half of this does not warrant a response. I said in this same chunk of text exactly what you said, that I should have called staff. The second half, however, confuses me. I brought up the fact that staff were online because nobody wants to go through this bullshit. I'd rather play the game than write these dumb paragraphs about how I'm innocent to a bunch of people like you and everybody else commenting who were not there for what happened. I do understand that I broke the rules, I would've taken the punishment then and there, and more importantly, I would've actually been able to explain myself and apologize, because I do feel bad. I also would have been able to provide logs instantly, which is a big part of this report. Now I am waiting on another user to send me the txt file for the logs, where I could've just defended myself then and there. Again, there's no doubt that I broke NLR, and I deserve punishment for it, but MNLR, MRDM, and FDA accusations are purely based on speculation. Rather than have to go back and forth with you guys, this could've been instantly disproven with logs. Bringing up the fact that Dbboli did not use the ticketing system was not some attempt at character assassination or to make his arguments ound weaker, it was just to say that things could've been handles easier and that nobody wants to go back and forth like this.

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They simply are not baseless in the slightest. You clearly did FDA, when you were killed you were not looking anywhere near the button you have and the prop was faded, you die, Dbboli then looks back at your entrance and the prop is magically unfaded. No one accused you of MNLR, I have 0 idea where you are getting this from at all, the closest thing to it was Riddim suspecting that there was MNLR, in every response so far it has been a +1 for NLRx2. You did MRDM, you broke NLR and came back, killing 3 people.

There is no direct evidence showing that I committed FDA here. I have a button and keypad, and I keep the door open as the entire point of the base is for me to run in quickly. Also, yes, accusing me of NLRing a third time is an accusation of MNLR by definition. This accusation was also based off of the fact that I used my jump SWEP out of spawn, something literally everybody does. Again, the kill on DogGod was based on the fact that he was constantly biting me as well as everyone else, something he was later warned for. I even have witnesses to this fact, who cannot comment as they are not staff and not being reported.

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There were three kills. I understand you do not want to take accountability for killing DogGod, however at the 32 second mark you can not only hear your shotgun shooting DogGod, but you can see the bullets coming into your base. What this tells me is that A) You were past the no-collided prop on the entrance to your base, otherwise your bullets would have stopped on that prop and not gone inside your base. B) You therefore NLR'd to kill him as well regardless of if he bit you or not, they were in the process of freeing someone you kidnapped, you came back. 

Multiple things could have happened in this scenario. The base had shotty build quality, and could have been shot through in areas. This I can show to anybody who cares to check. I could have followed DogGod into my base after they bit me, and this could have even been the result of a very common visual glitch on the server, where bullets are sometimes shows spraying from other players (I can also provide evidence of this glitch, as well as multiple others who have previously brought this up). This brings me back to the point of why I wish Dbboli would have called staff: there are now no location-based logs. This could have been sorted out much easier, but now things are propped up looking terrible and I am being accused of multiple things that I did not do.

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They have all the basis needed, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87FZUVCOZgQ

To conclude this, you clearly broke multiple different rules all within a one minute time frame, you yourself say you should have called staff, so why didn't you? My opinion on punishment remains the same.

I agree that I also should have called staff, which is even more important considering that I was in the wrong here, however there is no evidence of half the things I am being told I did. As you said, the basis for accusing me is all in that video, so why is there further speculation of my reasoning for an unrelated kill, or possible FDA, or a third NLR break based off the fact that I used a jump SWEP in spawn?

[riddim]

Hey Claypool!

I want to start off with the fact that I said it LOOKED like you were going back a third time, since you had already done it twice. Obviously the video cut off so we have no evidence of that which is why we're only considering the NLR x2. 
 

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• Cops require a valid warrant in order to raid a base. Raiding a base without a warrant is FailRP unless the door is open and they have committed a crime.

You stated the rule here yourself. Your door was open which is how you and the cops got in, and you committed a crime right in from of them, which was kidnapping another officer. They were simply assisting a fellow officer.

 

Any group-operating job may assist their fellow job mates without warning if they are threatened

FDA
When you brought your kidnapped victim into the box, got killed, the prop suddenly appeared resulting in two CP's getting stuck. I will say it is hard to see how this can be proven as FDA since the person recording didn't catch you pressing your button or not, but not one instance did you drop the kidnap victim to press the button. You cannot press a button without dropping the person you're kidnapping first. Which is why we believe you FDA'd. 

MRDM
The second you came back from getting killed and breaking NLR ( in which you admitted to ), all those kills are not considered valid. You got killed, came back, killed two, got killed, came back a second time and killed one more. 3+ is considered MRDM. You did not wait until they were done raiding the base and decided to come back and RDM them. 

NLR

Self admitted to breaking NLR. 


Like I previously said, if you have ANY logs, please send them my way so I can take a look.

Edited July 10, 2023 by riddim
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