Blatant anti-semitism and staff inaction on it.

[Some Donkus]

Your In-Game Name:

Jacques Mehoff

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:19612738

Who are you reporting?:

Binkzy, STEAM_0:0:53804656

Why are you reporting this player?:

The player I am reporting was putting up Nazi imagery. He refused to take it down. I RP'd as Cop at the time so I tried arresting him a few times. Other CP also put bounties on him for "antisemitism." He took the big one down and started putting up smaller ones. I used some grenades to reset the prop and remove the colors. He killed me and spawned another one. I tried arresting him again and he made a ticket for "player targeting." Shortly before, I tried making a report but no one answered it. I asked another mod to look into it and they told me to take it up with the trial mod, even though they were a higher rank. kio took Binkzy's sit and told me that Nazi flags were ALLOWED and the other mods didn't have an issue with them. He then strongly suggested I make a forums post, so I am making that post now.

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

Relevant Info:

Several screenshots - https://imgur.com/a/Wn2oO2N
and a video of my interaction with staff - https://vimeo.com/793570830

A brief look at the rules shows a few that could be considered broken in this case.

DO be respectful to everyone LOL OMG
DO NOT be a dick, we are all here to have fun and play the game
DO NOT use racial/homophobic/generally offensive slurs or be overly offensive to other players/staff

It's all up to interpretation, but I also find it completely ridiculous that you have a zero tolerance policy when people say racial slurs but this is somehow a completely different issue?

Edited January 28, 2023 by Some Donkus
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[johnny one plate]

Completely agree, it's definitely a no-brainer that this is a BS loophole that needs to be closed.

[Binkzy]

+1. I put up the flags to cause this stir back in the community. There is a misc. rules section clearly made for this exact case. UPDATE THE RULES

[An Ordinary Citizen]

27 minutes ago, Binkzy said:

 I put up the flags to cause this stir back in the community

 

Were these the result of trying to cause a stir in the community as well?

 

[Binkzy]

17 minutes ago, An Ordinary Citizen said:

 

Were these the result of trying to cause a stir in the community as well?

 

Yes. Context goes a long way in these

[Binkzy]

Just now, Binkzy said:

Yes. Context goes a long way in these

Context would show those are both verbal warnings no further action was needed to be taken. What it doesn't show was the double standards being put in place. Double standards that again are not staff's in-action. But due to rule wording and loopholes.

[Succ The Zucc]

Okay. So the reasoning behind the rule being as it is currently is because we don't want to enforce the rule based on what is offensive to see. The removing of swastikas would then in turn remove other flags in the process such as the communist flags among possibly others due to the fact that people could find them offensive. 

 

Furthermore as someone that is Jewish I don't seem to care as it puts a level of RP to it. (I.e make fascism illegal, someone puts up a flag and boom arrest them for it whatever.)

 

This all said. The staff members when you called them SHOULD have taken it down. It's common knowledge for the staff team that if someone asks via a sit to have it taken down then we as staff are made to take it down.

 

2 hours ago, Binkzy said:

+1. I put up the flags to cause this stir back in the community. There is a misc. rules section clearly made for this exact case. UPDATE THE RULES

Also for future reference trying to cause drama is also against the rules if you want to go ahead and make a suggestions post that would have been just as helpful. 

[Some Donkus]

1 hour ago, Succ The Zucc said:

Okay. So the reasoning behind the rule being as it is currently is because we don't want to enforce the rule based on what is offensive to see. The removing of swastikas would then in turn remove other flags in the process such as the communist flags among possibly others due to the fact that people could find them offensive. 

 

Furthermore as someone that is Jewish I don't seem to care as it puts a level of RP to it. (I.e make fascism illegal, someone puts up a flag and boom arrest them for it whatever.)

If I logged on right now and tried dropping some racial slurs, I would be warned/banned in a heartbeat. But if I go in there talking about how the Nazis were right and the Jews had it coming, are you saying that no one would stop me from spreading a bullshit ideology? There is an absolutely massive difference between a political ideology and a flag that symbolizes a regime that killed 6 million people simply for existing.

All you have to say is "no swastikas." Two words added to the MOTD and boom, problem solved. I even had people tell me as I was making this report "Zucc will say he's Jewish and doesn't care so nothing will happen just like the last few times." I could be like "I'm a Jehovahs Witness and it offends me." But it doesn't matter. The only thing that should matter is that if staff are silent about it, they're being complicit. If you don't act, then you make shitass people like that feel empowered to spread that toxicity.

This isn't the only time it has happened. There's another guy by the name of Ultra Instinct Aryan God who posts swastikas all over his base too. He even decided to use all his reacts on me today, lol.

Also, if a trial mod, a regular mod, and several players are encouraging me to make this post, then there are obviously some people on the staff team and in-game that agree that this needs to be changed.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Some Donkus
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[Rubik]

Was there ever a sit made against him? I've added some new guidelines for staff on how to handle these situations but it sounds like it's possible in this case either there were not any staff online, or a sit was never called against him. The policy has always been, if someone calls a sit and asks it to be removed, that's all it takes. Staff should 100% of the time force the player to remove it, no exceptions. Staff should have removed them. If not, that is clearly due to poor training.

 

As for the player involved, based on his replies in this report it seems like he is only pasting these dupes with the sole intention to create discourse and start drama. Based on his previous warns for racism and this seeming to be a recurring issue, I'm going to ban him for 2 weeks for repeated drama mongering. Binkzy, If you get some sort of hate boner from upsetting other players and "caus[ing] this stir back in the community", we don't want you here.

 

Accepted