Server Rule Suggestion

[Lil' Pudin' Taters]

Could we implement a rule that says something similar to the following:

"DO NOT attempt to fool other players into breaking rules."

This would be something that would really have to be enforced based on staff's best judgement call. Staff would need to determine if the intent was to fool players, or there was no intent at all. The punishment for breaking this rule would be up to staff and would heavily depend on how many people were effected by the scheme that is trying to fool other players. Referencing my own warn appeal from last night, especially the streamable and imgur evidence. 

 

[Vexxy]

No.

Just because you're dumb and got baited by props doesn't mean we should just implement the "im a dumbass please stop people from bullying me" rule. 

-1

[PENIS RETARD 69]

"Do not incite other players to break the rules" is already a thing but I'm not sure if this would fall under that category

[Lil' Pudin' Taters]

27 minutes ago, Azuria said:

No.

Just because you're dumb and got baited by props doesn't mean we should just implement the "im a dumbass please stop people from bullying me" rule. 

My report is only an example and it was accepted anyways. The intent is to prevent this in the future.

I can think of other examples:
-Someone with a Dogbite item which has absolutely no animation could come up to someone and bite them while a pet is nearby. Naturally, the victim thinks it's the pet so he kills the pet that did nothing for RDM.
-Make a public base with a closed off area protected by a fading door with keypad, and in that area there is a boombox playing printer noises.
-Lightsaber ignite someone while Gandalf is nearby, naturally the victim thinks it's Gandalf and RDMs Gandalf.
-Making a CC have the Sewer Lord model and running around in the sewers with adrenaline with fist out just so people think you are the sewer lord and therefore try to kill you which would technically be RDM.

 

[Danutercisd]

I think this should be added, for sure. This is already a thing put in place, but if something is said in motd, then it would help a lot. +1

Edited August 27, 2020 by Dan Mcstubbins
Grammar

[Shoebill]

1 hour ago, Azuria said:

No.

Just because you're dumb and got baited by props doesn't mean we should just implement the "im a dumbass please stop people from bullying me" rule. 

-1

Sorry but im agreeing with Vexxy.

Jordan and i had gotten sits and we both got baited hard.

6 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

We have a pretty easy-to-learn rule that states "DO use common sense". 

This kind of explains this whole suggestion.

Just don't  get baited and call a sit if you think they are real

 

-1

Edited August 27, 2020 by Mav McStubbins

[Lil' Pudin' Taters]

48 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

We have logs, the person with the dogbite swep would be punished. The person that killed the pet would be told to check logs next time. The pet wouldn't have lost any sort of weapons or anything seeing as how pets can't carry anything. No need to punish the reaction when you can deal with the problem itself. 

You are ignoring the factor that this is still RDM. The pet can't attach weapons but they CAN use talismans, melee, and food buffs. Under what tense would the Dogbite swep person be "punished"? Dogbite person did nothing wrong with the current rulings other than maybe ARDM which has no punishment according to Proper Punishment Time and Reasons forum post; and saying that's ARDM is debatable if the Dogbite person only bit the victim once knowing the dogbite only does like 20 damage.

 

48 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

Call a staff member, simple solution. They would be told to get rid of the fading door.

You act like a player who actually wants that hypothetical printer is going to do this. A player who actually wants that printer is going to call a sit asking the base owner to remove the Public Base sign (which is what the sit will originally be called for) just so he can raid the person and completely ruin his entire chance to catch the base owner off guard? Or better yet, let's say that boombox was a legitimate printer and the public base sign is removed after a sit that told the base owner to remove the public base sign. Any smart base owner is going to change that sign to a building sign, and then take the time to actually reinforce the base, which does not help the raider at all.
 

 

48 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

The Gandalf shit does one damage and makes a little blip noise. The staff makes a big whoosh noise. Like, I see where you're coming from, but this scenario is a stretch.

I didn't even know there was a difference in sound until now and therefore you can't assume every player is going to know that difference in sound. This is still RDM and very possible. Saying the scenario is a stretch and dismissing it that way is like seeing bigass dog poop on the carpet and saying, "Oh, it must have been a mouse."
 

 

48 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

I would literally say "you changed your job name and model to Sewer lord and ran around in the sewers trying to get people to RDM, what did you expect to happen?". This falls under the same category of changing your job name and model to "Hobo" and micspamming, which is not allowed. He would be told to change his shit.

You can tell the person that it was his own fault, and that's fine. Punishment may not be given but this is still RDM and punishment could be given with the "DO NOT attempt to fool others into breaking rules". I'm not saying a punishment should be given as the intention as staff is to teach, but that half-assed Sewer Lord could easily just get another idea to trick someone and try that one.

 

 

48 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

All of your examples are either something that can be easily handled by staff, fall under common sense, or are just grasps at straws.

Pinkteron literally spent an hour moving shit around his base last night for the simple intent of fooling people into raiding him, if that isn't grasping at straws I don't know what is. The examples I just gave could be tried out by literally anyone in 2mins. NOT SAYING ANYONE SHOULD.

 

 

48 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

We have a pretty easy-to-learn rule that states "DO use common sense". 

I don't know if your implementation of common sense is the same as mine, but if someone hypothetically tells me to mop the floor, but then yells at me later for mopping that same floor but never told me that the floor wasn't water proof; who's the real person at fault there?

I'm not asking for much here, literally one line be added to rules.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Lil' Pudin' Taters

[Lil' Pudin' Taters]

30 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

He would be punished for ARDM, which you can most definitely be warned for.

Where is the official document that says this punishment is viable? You seem to quote the rules a lot except when it only conveniences you.
 

30 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

Don't raid bases with building signs, call a sit. Cause guess what happens if you raid a base for a boombox? You get punished. If you think there's entities, you call a sit. Simple.

And what happens if a player raids the public base that DOES have a legitimate entity in it? Does the raider still get punished? You keep acting like the person raiding just magically knows that's a boombox or that's just a prop.

30 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

The fuck are you talking about? 

It's a hypothetical, is it too complex for you or should I dumb it down for you? I'm pointing out that I really don't know what you mean by common sense, if there is nothing common or sensical about the entire situation. A person being fooled isn't going understand they're being fooled until it's too late.
 

30 minutes ago, Cobaselic said:

I'm not even gonna respond to the sewer lord shit because you added nothing here to it. The player posing as sewer lord would be told not to do that, again, simple. 

And then what if Mr Sewer Lord then decides to impersonate an Abomination rampage by making himself an Abomination, eating big food, and then having a crowbar out swinging it like a maniac but not hitting anyone? Are you just going to tell him not to do that either? I supposed you could but then he could just become an Undercover Cop that's disguised as a Baby, then reports RDM when he gets killed by a Pedophile. You can then tell him to stop THAT too, but then he can just become a black market dealer, give himself an AK-47 which he shoots wildly non-stop and hitting noone, but then files a sit when someone kills him thinking he's a Terrorist and so on and so forth.

The point I'm making here is without a punishment, the person can literally do this almost infinitely, but nothing in the current rules says you can warrant a punishment for that.

 

Edited August 27, 2020 by Lil' Pudin' Taters

[Fuel]

4 hours ago, Lil' Pudin' Taters said:

Make a public base with a closed off area protected by a fading door with keypad, and in that area there is a boombox playing printer noises.

Public base sign is rendered invalid by the fading door with keypad making this unnecessary. If I saw someone do this I wouldn't blame the raider I would blame the baser who baited especially if they know a public base sign means no ents. You should always call a sit though to make sure.

4 hours ago, Lil' Pudin' Taters said:

Making a CC have the Sewer Lord model and running around in the sewers with adrenaline with fist out just so people think you are the sewer lord and therefore try to kill you which would technically be RDM.

That's already a rule break you cannot impersonate any job to give you an RP advantage easy failrp warn and if they rdm'd using it if they're newer warn em if they're experienced punish for rdm depending on how many they killed. usn made their cc name hobo and model and got banned for loopholing. Also it tells you that you died by the sewer lord if you die by the sewer lord, also sewer lord swep is faster. If you see sewer lord slot isn't taken and we see you do that a good staff will spectate.

4 hours ago, Lil' Pudin' Taters said:

Lightsaber ignite someone while Gandalf is nearby, naturally the victim thinks it's Gandalf and RDMs Gandalf.

Gandalf ignite doesn't do damage anymore. So this could be solved by just verbally warning the rdmer to be more careful nobody here is guilty so a bad example. Nobody thinks this way

 

Overall I think you have good intentions but this is already punishable by staff and if I saw someone do that sewer lord thing and have been playing a while i'ld ban them for rdm tdepending on how many they killed and if I see them do that but not damage anyone I would warn them. You are thinking staff are that retarded but we have logs, you were warned harshely and we accept that but this doesn't mean that the we need to add more common sense rules that could be adressed in any sit.