Remove flash grenades

[wolf2297]

EHHH i doubt thatd happen tbh, sits are for actual abuse of in game elements. a person using flash grenades repeatedly is just "a game feature" and "a skill issue" for you. they dont care abt it enough to make it stop

[Tene]

On 3/24/2024 at 6:52 PM, {GN} Isaac said:

NOOOOO I love kidnapping people with flash Grenada’s . Just make a sit @ staff 

call a sit for  a guy throwing flash nades every 4 seconds in his base making it impossible to throw a timebomb in / run in and blow up his props (worse if there is more than 1 person defending doing this) - also the flash radius goes through the world so me being stood outside of the base if im looking at the base / doors and he throws one at the back of his base i am blinded with no counterplay other than to throw flashes myself (he then just throws a flash himself). also try counter nonlethal nade spammers when raiding -- also use forbidden tech to cancel audio of ur flashes and u truly have a way to just perma kill time when being raided. 
there needs to be a longer cooldown on flash nades being thrown, idc about it going through world as long as there is like a 20second cooldown on throwing the flash nades. this change would also just not impact you unless you're also spamming flash nades when SKing.

 

 

On 3/24/2024 at 7:51 PM, wolf2297 said:

EHHH i doubt thatd happen tbh, sits are for actual abuse of in game elements. a person using flash grenades repeatedly is just "a game feature" and "a skill issue" for you. they dont care abt it enough to make it stop

spamming flash nades is non-lethal abuse... by your logic a person using a gun to shoot bullets at someone is also a game feature and a skill issue for getting rdmed
 

[wolf2297]

non lethal abuse in a raid? seems legit. skill issue

[David Davidson]

Staff don't always answer sits, especially during off hours.

This happened to me in game just now, which is why I remembered I had this thread going.

 

I just don't see the justification for them when they're either used by trolls

who lob every one they have in to a crowd, or noobs who apparently can't kidnap or raid without them.

 

Outside of these two groups, it looks like we all agree that they're cancer enough to call for a sunglasses function

for the server.

So just take it one step further and get rid of them because they're more harm than good.

[Byonic]

On 3/15/2024 at 9:28 PM, Sae said:

OR instead of getting rid of flash grenades altogether, what if we had a sunglasses/welder mask accessory that negates the effect of flash grenades?

 

On 3/15/2024 at 9:54 PM, Tene said:

major +1 this flashgrenades are on a 4 second timer and any sentient baser will throw them on a 4 second timer with no counter play. sure u can learn to time it and turn it, but they can just start to wait a bit longer, or count down from 27 when they hear ur timebomb / c4 get placed, throw 1, if they mistimed, throw another in 4seconds etc etc.

''just listen to the audio and turn'', u can gravgun the flash grenade as its thrown out of ur hand, sure u can turn at the sound of a gravgun, but then they just start random gravgunning. This is also more cancer if there is a 2nd person in the base doing the same thing.

 

ALSO flash grenades work on a radius unaffected by world so it does not matter if you are behind a wall, if you are looking at the general direction of the flash and are in range you will be blinded through the wall! 

this also works similarly for raiders but is way harder to pull off well in a raid setting. Adding a cooldown of like 20s to flash grenades would be way better for the server and would also reduce minging with it in public
(you can buy 200 flashnades for 400k)

to any doubters log on and ask to raid me and see if u can counter the no look challenge every 4 seconds (btw if ur flashed once it lasts 8 seconds and nonlethal doesnt even care if u turn the nade it will still stun u)

Both Topics are unique to raiding, defense, counter and other plays. Though I like the fact to add an item like sunglasses that would reduce the effects (Not REMOVE them) I think this would be useful for the talent extra life as you are blinded for a couple seconds. Would be better for a 5–10 seconds cool down on Flash grenades and non-lethal grenades, as this combination is a very good counter to just about any player. 
 

So for my suggestion is to add sunglasses and a delay between throwable items 

[Goldfish0]

git gud