Crabroll Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Yeah i aint reading all 27 comments so heres waht i think. 1. its hard to tell if theres ownership of waterfall if theres no props in place. I see an argument for a "raid" as there are things to take and a person in the base, but it still smells more like violent theft to me. Really depends on if heo was afk in the base with a box next to him or he just landed and mali saw a box pop out of him. 2. A warn is justifiable but a bit meh in this case because its more complex. With mali being ex-staff, it would be easier to talk to him and get him to see it form your side and work it out i guess. 3. two cp bans for rdm isn't really the right procedure but thats more of a seperate thing. i would suggest a removal of the warn on mali and mali to be smarter next time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCP 343 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, cobaselic said: If you're bringing goods into the waterfall base, it's fair to assume one is basing there. Pretty much this. I also think that these areas should have some sort of ownable door, such as the waterfall area which has some sort of garage door but to my understanding it can't be closed or owned. This could make it easier for other players to identify if someone is basing or owns that area.+1 for warn removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Because you cannot see through the waterfall, there is really no way for you to know if someone is basing in there or not until you are inside. It's a really weird spot on the map & imo would probably make a better 'chill-zone' / safezone than a place for roleplay or basing. I would say for sure that if there were props which prevented me from just walking inside, then I am definitely in a base and & about to commit a raid. However in this case, there is nothing to suggest that the player is basing & it appears they were only looking for a safe place to hide while they open their loot. If someone came in and killed me while I was opening my lootbox in this area I would absolutely consider this Violent Theft, but would I warn for RDM for it? Probably not. All in all, I think Heosphores was wrong for killing Malicious as I don't think there was any evidence to suggest that Malicious was basing there. I'm not 100% sure I agree with the warn for RDM, but after thinking it over I can see how it is justified. -1 on removal of the warn but +1 of changing the warn from RDM --> Violent Theft because I don't think RDM accurately represents what happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kratos Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 i agree with all said above from me, but i want to really quote Jay Walker on something really important here. "...he knew he could punish it, so he did." this whole appeal can be boiled down to that. you knew that you could stop the situation or turn it to your favor by killing him and warning him, but i don't think it was right. people have used the waterfall base more times for basing than they have for a chill zone, myself included, so it's not strange to think the way that Mali did. +1 for removal of warning & for a higher up to talk to Heos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 This has been open long enough. Based on the evidence, I don't really think you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Heosphores is biased towards you. If you have any more evidence on this do feel free to PM an Smod+ with the evidence. I personally think the warn should stay but be changed to Violent Theft, but since the majority of responses are calling for the warn to be removed completely, I am going to do that. It appears the warn has already been removed or was never issued in the first place because I cannot find it in your list of warns. If you know which warn this is, let me know & I will remove it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malicious Posted August 8, 2021 Author Share Posted August 8, 2021 yes, the warn has been removed by him i'm guessing due to staff possibly speaking to him but i'd still like the possibility of you a SMOD to speak to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabroll Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Rubik has spoken, warn has been removed, heo will be speaked to but i will not disclose what I will be speaking to him about, thats up to us. Anyways, this is solved, Accepted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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