Banned for "Enticing players to break rules???" Rubik and staff poorly handled this!

[FriendlyMxdder]

Your Steam Name: FriendlyMxdder

Your in-game name: FriendlyMxdder

Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:52906430

 

Why were you warned/banned?: "Racism | Enticing players to break rules

 

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? : Im reposting this because after 3 hours all that Rubik could say is "Denied Dont be a dumbo" So clearly the higher ups are too lazy to sit down and actually look into this and enforce the rules on their staff, I was never given any proof or evidence of me "ENTICING PLAYERS TO BREAK RULES" and I'd really like to see where in chat I told the server to break rules. Its not there, It's non existent what you can CLEARLY see in logs is me being gigamuted (Which is the PROPER punishment) and then get banned WITHOUT a sit (Which is a much bigger offense than saying a word) So RUBIK the top dawg is just okay with his staff breaking rules and letting the player base take the shit end of the stick because he's way too lazy to actually look into the matter, sit in a discord with another admin and talk about who knows what only for that admin to provide no input and for Major to never provide the evidence. So basically MAJOR went with his "GUT Feeling" on this case, because that's perfectly okay, Major might as well become a legal judge in his country and just start basing all his verdicts on his gut feeling because that will totally stand, I would still like to see the evidence for this matter which I already know there is none,  I said something racist in chat (Which is a 15/30 min gigamute) and I got giga-muted already for 30 minutes then got banned for TWELVE hours for "ENTICING PLAYERS TO BREAK RULES" which one makes NO sense and two where would he have ANY evidence of me "enticing" players to be racist?? I already received my punishment via gigamute and then got banned shortly after, note WTFMAJOR wasnt the player to gigamute me so im not sure if he saw I was already muted. WHEN did racism in chat become a 12 hour ban? It has been a gigamute for as long as tits has been around? There were other people who said racist remarks, one player said a racist remark towards hispanics and received a gigamute and NOT a ban. Major has been super salty because we've raided him over and over and he's letting his emotions play into his moderating decisions which is OBVIOUSLY not the way to handle a situation. If theres NO evidence, and NO SOLID verdict other than "dOnT bE a dUmBo" Please give me a reason the other guy isnt banned who said something equally as bad and isnt a new player since us being "experienced players" changes the SET punishment guidelines. There has to be a reason why other players got away with a simple gigamute which is the SET punishment for racism in OOC and we got banned, we weren't the only people to say something racist in OOC yet other players did NOT get banned, I'm not asking you to ban them I'm simply saying I'd like to see WHY I was banned and not the others who also did the SAME EXACT thing, like I said above Major is letting his roleplaying emotions play into his moderation job and that's not how a moderator should think or react to a situation that is "O U T  O F  C H A R A C T E R" This system is so flawed. I know this won't get me unbanned because the staff couldn't give less shits about stuff like this but I'm trying to make it abundantly obvious that some of the staff need to be more experienced and need to learn not to let their emotions ultimately decide their moderating decisions. 

 

Who warned/banned you and for how long?: WTFMAJOR 12 HOURS

 

Evidence: None check logs

[Rubik]

I've removed the "enticing players to break the rules" from your ban reason, sorry for any confusion there.

We had a discussion between the Admin+ team on this issue. We agree that there should have been a sit, that is an issue in and of itself and will absolutely be addressed. Now, given the circumstances - multiple people involved, this being a planned out thing, and you all being long time members of the server & fully aware of the rules, the ban will stay. 

 

Next, I will go into more detail based on the knowledge of the situation I have, on why you were probably banned when others only received a warn or a gigamute.

There had been at least one other player that was gigamuted for saying racist remarks in chat shortly before this incident. You guys would have been fully aware of the outcome and obviously expected a only a gigamute for yourself. Due to the fact you guys are experienced on the server, fully aware of the server rules, and just witnessed someone getting gigamuted, I think you would have known the repercussions for sending racist messages in global chat.

I think you guys made a conscious decision to break the rules knowing full well you would only receive a gigamute. This is the reason why your ban will stay.

 

As for why you were banned in the first place, that is an issue you should take up with Major as he is the banning staff. I am only here to defend our reasons for denying your appeal.

Everyone should have an equal opportunity to defend themselves in a sit, but in this case when you make a conscious decision to intentionally break the rules and cause extra work for staff, the ban doesn't seem so wrong. 

There are way more important issues that staff should be focused on. 

 

Sorry you don't agree with the outcome. Hopefully you will all take this as a learning experience. You should know that intentionally breaking server rules will not always have the same outcome.

Each situation is different, and punishments are at the discretion of the banning staff member. Though his method may be flawed and will absolutely be addressed, we stand behind his decision on this one.

 

I have attached a few bits of the server rules below that pertain to this situation. I hope this will clear some things up for you:

 

Per the server MOTD:

DO NOT be racist or offensive to other players/staff.

 

The Proper punishment times and reasons is a public thread and is a guide for staff to determine if a warn/kick/ban is approrpriate and for how long. 

You can take a look at that thread if you are unsure of the things staff are trained to issue punishments for.

[Rubik]

I didn't change the ban reason to try and hide any evidence, that's silly. I was in direct messages with a few of the people involved after all the ban appeals were denied, and the main issue they had was with the "enticing players to break the rules" part. I let Saiah and Friendly know I had done this and told them why, I don't agree that ban reason is appropriate and there is no evidence to support that claim. The ban reason should accurately reflect the reason they are banned, which in this case is "racism in OOC". Sorry for any confusion, not trying to hide anything here, just trying to straighten this all out.

[FriendlyMxdder]

I've removed the "enticing players to break the rules" from your ban reason, sorry for any confusion there.

We had a discussion between the Admin+ team on this issue. We agree that there should have been a sit, that is an issue in and of itself and will absolutely be addressed. Now, given the circumstances - multiple people involved, this being a planned out thing, and you all being long time members of the server & fully aware of the rules, the ban will stay. 

 

Next, I will go into more detail based on the knowledge of the situation I have, on why you were probably banned when others only received a warn or a gigamute.

There had been at least one other player that was gigamuted for saying racist remarks in chat shortly before this incident. You guys would have been fully aware of the outcome and obviously expected a only a gigamute for yourself. Due to the fact you guys are experienced on the server, fully aware of the server rules, and just witnessed someone getting gigamuted, I think you would have known the repercussions for sending racist messages in global chat.

I think you guys made a conscious decision to break the rules knowing full well you would only receive a gigamute. This is the reason why your ban will stay.

 

As for why you were banned in the first place, that is an issue you should take up with Major as he is the banning staff. I am only here to defend our reasons for denying your appeal.

Everyone should have an equal opportunity to defend themselves in a sit, but in this case when you make a conscious decision to intentionally break the rules and cause extra work for staff, the ban doesn't seem so wrong. 

There are way more important issues that staff should be focused on. 

 

Sorry you don't agree with the outcome. Hopefully you will all take this as a learning experience. You should know that intentionally breaking server rules will not always have the same outcome.

Each situation is different, and punishments are at the discretion of the banning staff member. Though his method may be flawed and will absolutely be addressed, we stand behind his decision on this one.

 

I have attached a few bits of the server rules below that pertain to this situation. I hope this will clear some things up for you:

 

Per the server MOTD:

DO NOT be racist or offensive to other players/staff.

 

The Proper punishment times and reasons is a public thread and is a guide for staff to determine if a warn/kick/ban is approrpriate and for how long. 

You can take a look at that thread if you are unsure of the things staff are trained to issue punishments for.

 

One, there are tons of players who consciously make decisions on breaking rules, 99% of those cases are handled with a SIT like they should be obviously not if someone mass rdm's, tries to crash the server etc. Major gave us no evidence on his original claim whether or not its not applied now, I was never given a proper sit or a proper punishment, I don't think being an experienced player should play a role in what punishment you get, they are set guidelines for a reason, if that is all of a sudden a thing why is this not in the MOTD, why aren't punishments ever more harsh for experienced players until RIGHT now for something that isn't necessarily disrupting anyone... It's the internet... on garrys mod! I wasn't trying to crash the server or execute LUA files. Also WHY on earth have you come to the conclusion that this was some planned out thing? It's not that rare that when someone says something especially breaking a rule that pretty much most players have done at least once, that other players will go and do the same thing? You can literally see for yourself Rubik, other players continued with racist remarks, players that aren't in our party or group??? They simply get a giga-mute which is the PROPER punishment... again I say that there are SET punishment guidelines that all staff should abide by, how is it okay for a staff member to supersede the guidelines and rules that have been here far before he was even on the staff team? When did it become okay for him to decide his own rules and you saying we need to talk to our banner for that shows that you guys don't even want to enforce the rules that YOU laid out to start with. SO. It's perfectly okay for him to decide what our punishment is because we're so called "experienced players" that should NOT and should never factor in to a punishment, there are set rules for a reason. You guys continue to say "This was obviously planned out" when there is no proof of this, there is no chat log of this, there is absolutely NOTHING. You can't make a claim of a fact without backing it up at all, you didn't say "I feel like it's planned out" Because you would know that you CAN'T go with your gut feeling which is EXACTLY what Major did and that is NOT how you moderate a server. So again, I invite you to please show me some evidence of where this was planned, where we told other players to spam racist remarks in OOC. There are people who literally fill their chat bar with Racist remarks and copy paste over and over and get a gigamute not even a ban, why should it matter if a player is experienced or not? ANYBODY THAT SPAMS RACIST REMARKS KNOWS ITS AGAINST THE RULES!!! People are stupid, everyone knows the punishment experienced or not. So again please show me some evidence of your half ass claims. This whole thing was handled very badly and is really reflecting on who you guys recruit and train and how your Veteran Staff Members handle situations like this that could have EASILY been solved if Major or you sat down and made a sit or actually tried to discuss it rather than just ignoring anything I've said and resorting back to your original claims.

[West]

I didn't change the ban reason to try and hide any evidence, that's silly. I was in direct messages with a few of the people involved after all the ban appeals were denied, and the main issue they had was with the "enticing players to break the rules" part. I let Saiah and Friendly know I had done this and told them why, I don't agree that ban reason is appropriate and there is no evidence to support that claim. The ban reason should accurately reflect the reason they are banned, which in this case is "racism in OOC". Sorry for any confusion, not trying to hide anything here, just trying to straighten this all out.

 

"just trying to straighten this all out." ??? That's easy? Just unban them and give them a proper sit?

[Rubik]

The outcome would be the same.

[Jacket]

You guys are all experienced players you should've known better.

Last time I asked if I say hard R in OOC would I get banned they said yes.

You guys should've known better than break rules.

 

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so this post is for drama mongering? I dont' see any other reason for this

[Rubik]

so this post is for drama mongering? I dont' see any other reason for this

 

It sure is looking that way.

[FriendlyMxdder]

You guys are all experienced players you should've known better.

Last time I asked if I say hard R in OOC would I get banned they said yes.

You guys should've known better than break rules.

 

https://imgur.com/3vm2p7M

so this post is for drama mongering? I dont' see any other reason for this

 

No not at all. If anyone is "drama mongering" It's you. Look at all the stuff you've posted in the discord, you are the only one still talking about this in discord and you have nothing to do with the situation.

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so this post is for drama mongering? I dont' see any other reason for this

 

It sure is looking that way.

 

And no this has nothing to do with starting drama. I'm tired of biased mods and bullshit outcomes to something that could of been handled properly and you still continue to give us bullshit answers about this case. Where is Major? If we need to speak to our banner why is he not here handling this? Where is the punishment for him completely ignoring the rules that are already set in place for your staff to follow? He made no sit, he asked no higher ups, he simply pulled the trigger on something that Isn't allowed and you're perfectly okay with it your actions show it. You're not addressing what I'm saying, how would the outcome be the same if we actually had gotten taken into a sit and discussed it? I can almost guarantee you the outcome would NOT be the same, this is not the first time I've been gigamuted for this offense, its actually been many many times to be honest and not once has it ever gone this route and I know for a fact it wasn't because "Friendly has said it in the past we need to give him a bigger punishment" if that were the case saiah would NOT have been banned because he has never been banned or been in this situation. Call this whatever you want, this is a crappy situation but I'm not just going to leave it be until its actually resolved because too many players have had to deal with biased staff, and before someone jumps on me for that, NO I'm not saying all staff, humans are humans but a lot of staff are biased and don't think twice before making a decision, It's just like being in grade school, you get in trouble and your teacher calls home, your parents are going to automatically side with the teacher because they are in a position of higher power, it is NO different here and it's obvious.

[Rubik]

You broke the rules man, just serve the time and let it go. The server rules and punishment guidelines do not bend in your favor.

Major is not involved any longer because you guys claimed bias.