Ban Appeal

[Birddog6]

Your Steam Name: Trench Gun

Your in-game name: Birddog6

Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:2666198

 

 

Why were you warned/banned?: Mass Toxicity l Minge l Placing false warrents l Staff Disrespect l Ext to 7 Days for Kiezuh

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? :

 

The situation doesn't warrant me getting banned for seven days for perceived "toxicity" and "minging". Nor do I agree that I, placed a false warrant. Furthermore, during my sit, I was not granted a request to speak, I was actually gagged while explaining my In-Game reason for warranting the Cop (who for some reason, was basing inside the PD and was allowing the people inside to kill anyone who came in), and getting the other SWAT members to arrest him. From a roleplaying perspective, granting a Warrant request, even if a person is Master Chief himself (who only sides with the Police, he isn't actually a cop himself if we're going by a technical level), and letting officers enter the base to get the *highest rated bounty on the server currently* while they have a positive ID on the person, seems like to me-

 

A perfectly valid roleplay situation. 

 

Furthermore, I didn't do any 'Staff Disrespect'. I'm not even sure how that would warrant being called 'staff disrespect', I just feel that was tacked on to make the ban look more appealing. Mass Toxicity, also, I don't see how. I asked Kiezuh to elaborate how, but he didn't offer me an answer, and he didn't grant my request for a higher admin (there was a Senior Mod on at the time) to come and mediate the situation further.

 

Truth be told, maybe I could have left the guy in the PD reception room alone, maybe, sure. He'd brought me into a sit earlier and I received a warning for 'NLR' (but that was also a case of an unfair warn, but I figured, ah what the heck it's a warn, I'll just go back to playing). 

 

But from a Roleplay perspective, I don't think I was invalid to say that an area where multiple people had died and dangerous criminals were deserved a warrant. Furthermore, him claiming that Master Chief is a Cop, to me, according to the description is false, he only sides with the police. Furthermore, according to the rules, the other person, Bruh, was breaking this tidbit of the MOTD, under the Cop Rules:

 

 

 

• You cannot assist criminals or commit crimes
  

 

• Past the second PD door is Arrest on Sight unless said otherwise
  

And yes, he can base as a cop, but he cannot harbor them inside of his base if he's to be siding with the laws. And he has no real right to have anyone back there, truthfully, because they can be arrested. The space between the second door and their reception base is fair game, and considered trespassing, according to the default rules. Which confused me, and so do a lot of sits and complaints I get, because this is bright and early under the 'How to be a Good Player' part of the MOTD.

 

 

 

• RP situations out. This is an RP server at its core
  

 

 

 

• Reporting players and or staff when they have no evidence/non-conclusive evidence
  

 

Ultimately, I feel like I was banned for hearsay and because someone's feelings were hurt and they felt attacked (which they should have, it was a Warrant and the SWAT team was kicking down their door and making canoes). I was not offered any evidence, I didn't see any placed against me, and I was gagged and wasn't able to defend myself. I feel like this is a mistake of a fairly new, young trial moderator trying to do the right thing but ultimately just hurting someone who was trying to do a proper RP scenario. If I somehow misinterpreted parts of the MOTD that dictate the RP that I did, please let me know, because from a roleplay perspective, that was pretty damn on the nose. 

 

Who warned/banned you and for how long?:

 

Kiezuh, 24 hours, Requested to extend for 7 days.

 

Evidence: I have no evidence to support me other than my claims and my reading of the MOTD.

 

Addendum:

 

There's also video evidence of the person that made the complaints about me in another thread causing grief to other players as well.

[kiezuh]

I will pass this on to Kiezuh, but mass toxicity and shit can easily be stopped through a gigamute. At this moment, I don't agree with a 7 day ban. I will wait to get the full story from Kiezuh before I make any decisions.

 

I took 3 sits with him, the first sit was a verbal warning for rda, He was very very toxic towards staff and players, The second sit with him was for nlr which he broke multiple and i warned for keep in mind at this time he was still very toxic and disobedient with me, The third sit i took with him was for rdm, he kept over talking me insisting that he was never in the wrong so i gagged him and he continued to type in chat that he never broke any rules and was still toxic.

[Birddog6]

I will pass this on to Kiezuh, but mass toxicity and shit can easily be stopped through a gigamute. At this moment, I don't agree with a 7 day ban. I will wait to get the full story from Kiezuh before I make any decisions.

 

I took 3 sits with him, the first sit was a verbal warning for rda, He was very very toxic towards staff and players, The second sit with him was for nlr which he broke multiple and i warned for keep in mind at this time he was still very toxic and disobedient with me, The third sit i took with him was for rdm, he kept over talking me insisting that he was never in the wrong so i gagged him and he continued to type in chat that he never broke any rules and was still toxic.

 

Alright, I'll bite. The RDA warn was bullshit, because I was getting people for bounties, and you gave me a verbal warning. But like I said, I don't think that that's even remotely a reason to talk to someone. I don't think I should be punished for using the bounty system, or paying attention to the bounty list. But like I said earlier, I don't really take too much stock into warnings. I get that you're a new mod, and that you should pick which hills to die on. 

 

You also failed to elaborate how I was being "toxic" to other players and staff (meaning that by your wording that I was doing it to multiple staff), even when I asked you. You just kept saying "I've been getting multiple reports about you" and then not offering to bring to me to any sits about them, or even bring them up. But I don't want to reach too far, but I feel like if there were in fact multiple reports, you either should have brought me to a sit earlier, or elaborated on what I was doing that was toxic. 

 

Thirdly, please don't ask me to explain my side of the story, and then gag me in the middle of it. I explained to you, in depth, why I felt I was not in the wrong. And then, you didn't let the other guy talk (who now has video evidence of him griefing and disobeying the rules and abusing players in another thread), you even laughed when he spawned in a grave and you said 'look he already got your grave here'. AND you didn't even bring in a higher moderator for the situation, when I asked for one, because I didn't feel like it was a fair gig. And why did you bring me to a sit for RDM, but you failed to mention that in your ban?

[Succ The Zucc]

You can be gagged and still get your point across for one. 

 

And for two you’re extremely lucky that you didn’t get a ban for the NLR given how many bans you have for it.

 

Continuing on. It seems as if you don’t know how Master Chief works as a character if he sides with the cops. He IS a cop, and must role play as a cop. If he was bringing people into the reception room so what? He could be Interrogating the player. Until the mayor says he can’t. He’s allowed to do so.

 

(side note, he can side with raiders too)

 

All in all writing out my 5 paragraph essay. I don’t think that a 7 day ban is just. But I believe a ban was. I’ll be looking into what was said with kiezuh in more in depth and come to an agreement

[Birddog6]

You can be gagged and still get your point across for one. 

 

And for two you’re extremely lucky that you didn’t get a ban for the NLR given how many bans you have for it.

 

Continuing on. It seems as if you don’t know how Master Chief works as a character if he sides with the cops. He IS a cop, and must role play as a cop. If he was bringing people into the reception room so what? He could be Interrogating the player. Until the mayor says he can’t. He’s allowed to do so.

 

(side note, he can side with raiders too)

 

All in all writing out my 5 paragraph essay. I don’t think that a 7 day ban is just. But I believe a ban was. I’ll be looking into what was said with kiezuh in more in depth and come to an agreement

 

 

The thing was that the admin sits that I called on the guy for breaking NLR (in fact, I believe, if we want to talk semantics, him being there when he got warranted again was NLR- he just recently got killed, ran into the PD, switched jobs to open the doors, and then ran into his base). I think I should have elaborated more in my report about how Bruhgga was acting and what he was doing, but I think the video evidence of him acting up will be more effective than any of my arguments. 

 

And I may misinterpreted that, because I read the job description as siding with the police, meaning that he wasn't actually a CP, just on their side. I was going off the notion that Master Chief, due to his ability to change sides at a whim, wasn't actually a cop, just aligned with them. That's on me, I can admit that, but due to the wording you can see why I was upset. 

 

And I feel like bringing up NLR in a time like this is redundant solely due to the fact that NLR is left to the discretion of the player and best judgement. Timing and semantics don't really amount to much. If I'm back at the PD or walking back down the street, is that violating NLR? I don't think so, but then again, everyone has a varying opinion on NLR so I find it hard to agree whether or not I was in the wrong for being in the PD as a cop after a cop kills me for being in the doorway to his base.

[Succ The Zucc]

Join the discord so I can talk to you on the idea of NLR.

 

And wait they changed their job to unlock the PD doors and then went into the reception room?

 

I’m trying to clarify, but yeah. You did RDA THAT is one I got from this. Toxicity I’m trying to look into. And as for the rest I’m not certain about. 

 

that’s so you know where I’m at in this. I don’t really think we’ll be lifting the ban. But reducing I’m currently +1 for.

[kiezuh]

I will be home around 3 pm pst to chat and tell the whole story, as of right now I am busy at school.

[Succ The Zucc]

ACCEPTED will be moved to 3 days.