fukin ded Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Your Steam Name: fukin ded Your in-game name: Heck and Frick Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:501850155 Why were you warned/banned?: Mass NLR Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? : I was playing as Batman and RPing normally pretty much. I zip tied whatever criminal came up on my map. I've always interpreted/viewed batman rule as basically chase a criminal if they appear on the map, you can't try again for that crime if you die. So if someone raids or kidnaps a guy and they shoot you for trying to zip tie, it's NLR. I've never really had experience with Batman as it pertains to parties/gangs. There were a lot of kidnappers on and they were all putting victims in the same kidnap base. I would zip tie them whenever they kidnapped a guy but leave them alone on that victim if they killed me. I've always been under the impression that each instance of a player committing a crime is a specific RP situation and has it's own distinct NLR, so it's not NLR if you zip tie a player who killed you earlier if they're kidnapping a different person or raiding a different base since that's a new RP situation and a new crime alert for Batman. So I was reported by these kidnap basers because I would zip tie a different kidnapper who was putting the victim in the same base after I had failed to stop a different kidnap attempt from a different player. Rather than try to work this out or call a sit right away, they decided to do nothing about it other than try to kill me and didn't really make any attempt to correct me or let me know that Batman works differently for a party. After a good while of me zip tieing them and them even kidnapping me once (They didn't mention NLR at all when they kidnapped me and the second time they kidnapped me it was apparently an admin sit despite being an rp situation and not even in admin land?). I feel like they deliberately let me continue unknowingly screw up so they could get me banned for longer because they were angry about me zip tieing them at all even when it wasn't NLR. This all just feels harsh since I wasn't trying to Mass NLR and I was trying to follow the Batman rules by only zip tieing/trying to zip tie once per crime/batman alert. Who warned/banned you and for how long?: Akumi, Banned me for 24 hours but he said extend to 5 days. Evidence: N/A, I wasn't really taking evidence because as far as I knew I was just playing the Batman job properly. I would also like to add that the MOTD doesn't give any examples or really explain anything at all about Batman. NLR as it pertains to Batman isn't formally explained anywhere in the MOTD or MOTD changelog and you basically just have to figure it out or make your best guess from the other NLR examples. NLR being on a per crime basis made the most sense to me because it's a new RP situation/event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfmaster2015 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 ok so im silverduck apart of the base you broke nlr at so buddy you broke nlr 3 times coming to our base over and over again after we killed you to ziptie us we kidnapped you then akumi came in after a sit was called he looked at nlr location you came back 3 times then another 3 times after we kidnapped you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akumi Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 You were still breaking nlr regardless if you were getting alerts to zip tie them, you were interacting with them and you did not wait the cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukin ded Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 could you please use actual punctuation? Also, each time I showed up to your base was a different Batman alert, a different player had been kidnapped and I thought that the way Batman worked was that he had NLR on the specific instance of kidnap or other crime he was responding to/seeing an alert for. I would like to add that even if I don't get unbanned, the current way NLR is enforced isn't really in harmony with the level of actual explanation. NLR examples are only really given for raids and PDraids/hitman hits in the MOTD and there are no specifications on how NLR applies to some of the more special/unique jobs like Batman. Again, I had no idea I was actually Mass NLRing here since Batman isn't mentioned once in the NLR section of the MOTD or even as his own job in the misc jobs/weird jobs section. If you don't believe me, literally control+f for Batman in the MOTD page and there's no mention of him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akumi Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Regardless of job you still have to wait the cooldown period in between deaths. You should not have gone off of what you think was allowed and should have asked a staff member or in ooc. Also minor correction: I was not basing there with them nor was I in a party with them. I was just going by and visiting every now and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukin ded Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 I feel like there wasn't proper process here. Instead of trying to explain I did the thing wrong in the first place or actually going to a sit right away you just sort of did nothing about it for a while which gave off the false impression that I was right about how Batman worked and wasn't doing anything wrong. You went straight to waiting for me to do the thing you didn't like more so you could report for a larger offense and then skip the entire chain of verbal->warn->ban and the entire conception of intentional vs. nonintentional rulebreaking. The rules for a job's basic responsibilities shouldn't be hidden behind having to ask a staff, they should be immediately explained in full in MOTD or the Job Description. I had nothing to really give me any hint that I was doing anything wrong and the RP response was just to kidnap me to stop the zip ties/shoot at me and yell YO IT'S BATMAN KILL HIM This feels unfair in every way to be honest. It's like arresting someone for breaking a law that is only known if you ask about it existing first and isn't actually listed in any law books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akumi Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I didnt even know this was going on in the first place bro. The fuck you mean I was waiting for you to do the thing I didnt like so I could ban you. It's YOUR responsibility to know and understand the rules. Im just doing my job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukin ded Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 I'm referring to the people reporting. They did jack shit and just RPed as normal for a ton of time/deaths and said nothing about NLR. It's my responsibility to know the rules, yet it's very poorly explained and covered. The entire NLR section in the MOTD needs work honestly so much of it isn't listed and just has to be learned the hard way from a sit or asked to staff. Here's a list of things that would've stopped me/made me rethink/RP properly: An actual summary of Batman and NLR or even Batman as a job in the MOTD, The cooldown for interacting with a player as Batman or any job for that matter after dying to them, NLR as it applies to parties but not for raids. when I said you went straight to waiting for me to rack up more offenses, I was directing that statement at Silverduck/ the other guys basing there. It's kind of scummy to instead of reporting an issue right away when the offender doesn't even know he's doing anything wrong wait for him to rack up more offenses unknowingly then assfuck him all at once. You could have resolved the whole situation by just calling a sit on the first NLR and explaining to me the issue and I would've apologized and explained and then stopped. Instead, you made more trouble for everyone by not explaining shit to me and just letting me continue to come back and only filing a report when it had gotten to the point of no forgiveness and just a flat out 5 day ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tass Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 So, what Akumi said, the fuck do you mean cooldown? Raid cooldown? Batman isn't supposed to raid. Another thing, if Batman gets a DIFFERENT notification that said person is doing it again like kidnaps again or mugs again, it is completely fine for batman to go deal with said crime. If it was the same rp situation like cultist kidnaps batman dies trying to ziptie and without another notification batman goes BACK to try to ziptie, that is NLR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukin ded Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Yea, Tass what happened is that I responded to DIFFERENT kidnap alerts from players that were putting the kidnap victims in the same party/ the same player kidnapping a different guy. That's why I'm saying this ban is unfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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