Banned for "Mass RDM"

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Wait so did both receive a punishment? Or did one guy get banned for 7 days while the other was left off the hook?

 

Sounds pretty one-sided to be fair.

 

I'm new to the server, I'm not staff, but to punish one person for rulebreaking acts that both committed is pretty ridiculous.

 

I'd say since the other guy wasn't punished, @"Salted Seabass" shouldn't have been either.

[Vexxy]

You killed the guy 5 times in a span of 5 minutes.

 

You were banned because of that. There is no situation where you can openly kill someone 5 times in a row in under 5 minutes, Short of the RDM arena.

 

You need to be in a party or basing with them to even dispute that he was breaking NLR and for you to have a reason to kill him, If he was shooting you to begin with, say coming out of spawn and shooting at you. That would validate it.

 

However there was no party, There was no him shooting you first. Just you killing him.

[Salted Seabass]

He even said in the sit that he was breaking NLR. He kept coming back talking about being the health inspector. I should have warned him(I need to make a bind) so I could fall back on it, but he was being a ming and stated he was. You could have just warned me and been a cool moderator since I'm still rusty, and there was obvious confusion in the sit with the other person changing his story multiple times. You knew I didn't have bad intentions and was just helping my friend and myself from that ming blocking his door restaurant and its door. I really deserved a 7 day ban, I instead should of gotten a warn or something like a lesser ban. I don't see why I have to be the same job/gang/or owner of the building to dispute he was breaking NLR. He kept coming back stating he was the health inspector. Just because I don't own the building doesn't mean he wasn't breaking NLR and being a ming.

 

Edit 1: New Life Rule (NLR)

"NLR exists. Consider the risk / loss if someone breaks NLR

 

Single NLR: verbal or !warn. Repeat offender probably deserves a warn.

Mass NLR: Intentional NLR or NLR involving a raid is more serious and can result in either a warn or ban. Use your best judgement on this, mass anything can result in a 7 day ban. "

 

The other person came back a total of 5 times and didn't receive a single warn. You perceived him breaking NLR and he had even admitted it and you didn't give him any punishment whats so ever. No where in the rules does it state that since I don't own the base, he technically didn't break NLR. breaking the New Life Rule is still breaking it no matter what property he or I owns. You just came up with that yourself that since I don't own the building he isn't breaking NLR. He should have received a punishment and If 5 times is considered "MassRDM" like you said it was, he should be banned for "Mass NLR" for coming back 5 times.

 

Edit 2: "If the player is RDMing for false reasons and is asked to stop (ex: Revolution is over but still killing CP) the ban should result in a 1 hour - 24-hour ban depending on the player's attitude"

 

I "RDM" the NLR rule breaker not realizing that it was a false reason and I couldn't technically kill him. I was very respectful that entire sit and didn't realize what I did initally as RDM. I was respectful and cooperative, and the whole case with NLR was a big misunderstanding. Do I really deserve a 7 day ban for that? This rule even states that for false reasons (which I didn't know was false at the time) a ban should result from 1 - 24 hours.

[Vexxy]

Theres a reason I didn't warn him for NLR, He wasn't doing anything like trying to arrest someone or trying to continue a raid, He was literally walking to the area and you shot him upon seeing that he returned to the area.

 

NLR exists but its not as strong as "If you die you have to 100% avoid the area in question"

 

NLR Examples:

 

Going back to the road you died on to a hitman to see your friends ALLOWED

Going back to the road you died on to a hitman to kill the hitman NOT ALLOWED

Jimmy going back to Jimmy's house after raiders raided it and killed him NOT ALLOWED

Going back to Jimmy's house you were raiding after you died NOT ALLOWED

Going back to finish a heist as a raider after you died NOT ALLOWED

Going back to defend a heist as a CP after you died NOT ALLOWED

Going back into the PD as a cop after you got killed by a Bounty Hunter ALLOWED

Going back into the PD as a raider after you got killed by a mugger ALLOWED

Going back to the outside of your base after you die in a raid to watch the raid. NOT ALLOWED

 

Going by these examples literally ripped from the rules. What was he doing wrong other then returning to the area?

[Salted Seabass]

What are you talking about? "you shot him upon seeing that he returned to the area" He literally came back to the exact spot I shot him, saying the same thing that he was the Health inspector. Non of these are the exact example of what happened, but he came to the exact building every time and said the same exact thing. The most similar one I see is him returning to a road that his friends were on. He went to the EXACT same RESTAURANT and kept saying the SAME THING. Besides that however, I didn't MASS RDM. I killed him without realizing it was for false reasons. It states in the rules, "If the player is RDMing for false reasons and is asked to stop (ex: Revolution is over but still killing CP) the ban should result in a 1 hour - 24-hour ban depending on the player's attitude" I killed him more then once (referring to the term "RDMing in the rules). You told me I wasn't allowed to and to stop, and instantly banned me for 7 days instead of 1-24 hours. Your punishment was way to drastic and unnecessary was it not?

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@"Rubik" @"Cobaselic" @"Succ The Zucc" @"UrBaN BoMbEr" @"᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌ ᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌᠌" Was this not a misunderstanding with the other player breaking the NLR? Did I kill him not realizing that they were false reasons. If it was a false reason then is that not a 1 - 24 hour ban and stated in the rules? I believe that what I did was a false reason after learning more about the warn system and NLR, but I did not mass RDM. I killed him with false reasons without realizing it and now I understand that, but my punishment fits a crime far worse then what I did. Am I wrong and did I not RDM him for false reasons? Or did I just mass rdm like this staff member says?

[Vexxy]

That refers to single rdm's, You failed to see the question I asked.

 

What was he doing wrong? If he was coming back and saying he was the health inspector, what was he doing wrong?

 

Not to mentioned you killed him 4-5 times doing this.

[Salted Seabass]

What was he doing wrong? I already stated this. In the rules you sent, someone coming back to watch their base being raided isn't allowed, meanwhile they aren't allowed to but what are they doing thats wrong? Also it doesn't refer to single rdm, look at the rule again. "If the player is RDMing for false reasons and is asked to stop (ex: Revolution is over but still killing CP) the ban should result in a 1 hour - 24-hour ban depending on the player's attitude" Rdming refers to killing more then 1 person, and references that it was for false reasons without the player knowing. I didn't know that he was allowed to break NLR and in the past killing people who broke NLR was alright. I didn't realize (hence the false reasons). So if i killed him twice instead of once, that'd with the same "false reason" I'd still be banned for a week since you interpret the rule as being only for 1 rdm? If I killed him once for the "false reason" it would be a day ban? Realistically it'd be a warn most likely not even a ban. I just want to play the server I have the most time on with my friends, and I realize it was false reasons now but it wasn't like I was going around just killing for the heck of it and being a mass rdmer. there are so many different rule breakers who do other things and should get banned and don't, I killed this guy without realizing I wasn't allowed to, and mind you only him, and you ban me for a week... How is that not unfair to me, a loyal player who hasn't been banned in god knows how long. Why can't you cut the sentence, or just even shorten it?

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It's already been over a day since my ban and I know what I did wrong. I didn't have the intention of mass rdming or being a troll like most mass rdmers are. I just want to play and have fun with everyone on the server. Do I really deserve to be banned for this long?

[Vexxy]

"watch their base being raided isn't allowed" It wasn't his base, No one was raiding

 

RDMing refers to 1 or 2 kills, Mass RDM refers to 3 Or more kills.

 

"NLR exists and please use your best judgment to determine whether or not it is okay to return to a place after death."

 

Intention or not, You still killed him more than 3 times which is mass rdm, even on a single person it does count.

[UrBaN BoMbEr]

Sorry... I do not know enough about the situation to give input on the ban.

Just sharing what I saw... That Ida got banned for killing this guy who kept coming back and that the reason message said that he could not do that.

 

I'm not sure why the "health inspector" returning over and over to interact with the same player isn't breaking NLR... But clear that Vexxy didn't see that as reason to kill him.

In the future:

Call a staff member to report someone breaking the rules.

Or

Use a bind that warns the person to get away from you (3x), then you can shoot them.

 

hopefully we'll see you back before 7 days Ida!

[Rubik]

I spoke to @"Salted Seabass" and he was under the assumption that breaking NLR is still KOS as it was back in the early days of the server.

I instructed him to read over the MOTD again as many things have changed. I don't think this was intentional as he was following the rules as they were the last time he was on the server.

I'll be Accepting this ban since it doesn't seem to be intentional and Salted is willing to review the rules before coming back on.