MNLR Warn

[Allex]

In-Game Name

Allex

Your Steam ID

STEAM_0:1:37493497

Why were you banned or warned?

[AWarn] Succ The Zucc warned Allex [IFN.GG] for reason: MassNLR-Destroying public base as Trisha (killing himself to get launcher back over and over)
[AWarn] You have been warned by Succ The Zucc for MassNLR-Destroying public base as Trisha (killing himself to get launcher back over and over).
[AWarn] You will be kicked after: 3 total active warnings.
[AWarn] You will be banned after: 5 total active warnings.
[AWarn] Type !warn to see a list of your warnings.

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

1. Lighting Quest - Blow up xxx props as trisha

Get a quest to blow up however many props as trisha so ok i go and blow up some builders props that are in the streets out of spwan, who cares 99% of the stuff these guys do is just prop minge and we all know it.

do this about 10 times, finish the quest

get reported for MASS NLR (i never got killed by anyone and im just doing quest garbage and using /kill to reload) ITS A DUPE, not a base, nothing important, no valuables nothing making anyone money just some bs in the streets, took him all of 2 seconds to respawn the dupe after i blew it up.

0 priors never broke a single rule my entire time playing here.

WHY HAVE A QUEST THAT BASICALLY FORCES YOU TO /KILL your self to reload the launcher to keep going????

the dude later puts up a building sign ( white on a white wall, that you cant even see and uses that to get me warned) then after im warned removes all his props and laughs at me saying he did that to get me in trouble.

I ask Succ The Zucc to point out the specific rule i broke, its not like i ran across the map and targeted anyone i walked out of spawn.

Who warned/banned you?

Succ The Zucc

How long were you warned or banned for?

[Succ The Zucc]

6 minutes ago, Allex said:

1. Lighting Quest - Blow up xxx props as trisha

Get a quest to blow up however many props as trisha so ok i go and blow up some builders props that are in the streets out of spwan, who cares 99% of the stuff these guys do is just prop minge and we all know it.

do this about 10 times, finish the quest

get reported for MASS NLR (i never got killed by anyone and im just doing quest garbage and using /kill to reload) ITS A DUPE, not a base, nothing important, no valuables nothing making anyone money just some bs in the streets, took him all of 2 seconds to respawn the dupe after i blew it up.

So what you're saying is...is that I gave you a warn instead of a ban cause you didn't understand NLR applies to all RP actions and not just raids...Got it. I think I'm confident in my -1 for this.

[Allex]

Super professional btw.



Also i asked about 3-4 times to show me exactly what rule i broke, Succ The Zucc said !rules i checked and i don't see anywhere where what i did applies to anything in !rules

I said this to Succ The Zucc 
instead of showing me where, or explaining it or anything i get talked over by the reporter and warned.



 

NLR exists

• Please use your best judgment to determine whether or not it is okay to return to a place after death. Most people don't care if you died to a hit at PD and come back. People will care if you died in a raid and come back. If you want to play it safe don't return to your place of death until the time is up, no one likes a sore loser. In this section, there are examples of what is considered NLR and what doesn't usually matter to most people.
• If you did die in a raid/heist, its simply over. You CAN NOT come back and continue raiding/defending unless you die to a natural event.
• If your raid is interrupted by raid interference (check Thief / Raiding rules), or a natural event (such as a train, being teleported by the pickle statue, or a sit), your raid timer may be reset after staff confirmation.
• During the Kill the VIP, Defend the Vault, Golden Printer & Retrieve the Package events, there is no NLR if you are trying to attack/defend the Event (NLR applies to all other situations during these events). This does NOT mean you can continually raid the same base if the Golden Printer is inside it.

 

Time Limits
Raiding Cooldown: There is no cooldown but you cannot raid the same person again within 20 minutes
Max Kidnapping Time: 5 minutes
Max Raiding Time: 10 minutes

Max Mega-Base Raiding Time: 20 minutes
Max Bank Heist Time: 20 minutes
Cooldown for raiding the PD: 15 minutes
NLR Time Limit: Read NLR rules above or until the raid or heist is over.

 

NLR Examples
Going back to the road you died on to a hitman to see your friends ALLOWED
Going back to the road you died on to a hitman to kill the hitman NOT ALLOWED
Jimmy going back to Jimmy's house after raiders raided it and killed him NOT ALLOWED
Going back to Jimmy's house you were raiding after you died NOT ALLOWED
Going back to finish a heist as a raider after you died NOT ALLOWED
Going back to defend a heist as a CP after you died NOT ALLOWED
Going back into the PD as a cop after you got killed by a Bounty Hunter ALLOWED
Going back into the PD as a raider after you got killed by a mugger ALLOWED
Going back to the outside of your base after you die in a raid to watch the raid. NOT ALLOWED

Killing the raiders on the way back to their base with your printers after you die. NOT ALLOWED

Finding the raider's base after you die and raiding them after they're done securing your printers. ALLOWED


 

[Marock]

25 minutes ago, Allex said:

Also i asked about 3-4 times to show me exactly what rule i broke, Succ The Zucc said !rules i checked and i don't see anywhere where what i did applies to anything in !rules

Hey you said it yourself "Please use your best judgment to determine whether or not it is okay to return to a place after death. Most people don't care if you died to a hit at PD and come back. People will care if you died in a raid and come back."

I hope that you get it now that NLR means that you cant come back in most situations its as simple as that and even if your saying you shouldn't be warned because its a rp scenario its not, trisha-ing is a raiding action so you were raiding and came back.

Because of this I am 
-1 FOR APPEAL

 

 

29 minutes ago, Allex said:

Super professional btw.

P.S you probably haven't played too much if you think succ will ever be "Professional"

[Allex]

"ITS A DUPE, not a base, nothing important, no valuables nothing making anyone money just some bs in the streets, took him all of 2 seconds to respawn the dupe after i blew it up."

Raiding would imply there was something of value to take, i hurt no one, damaged no one, no one killed me. I did use my best judgement

No one has yet to show where i actually broke any server rules

Yall making things up on the fly. Make the NLR rules more clear or make a note in the trisha job, or make quest rules clarifing things otherwise i really dont see how i broke NLR

IF A COP WALKS OUT OF SPAWN AND SEES A GUN AND TRYS TO ARREST AND DIES. THEN WALKS OUT OF SPAWN AND SEES THE SAME PERSON WITH A GUN AND TRIES TO ARREST IS IT NLR? no its not.

Im doing a quest. so lets put this in clear roleplay sense

im trisha

i have a quest.

i need to blow up props.

i have a gun that blows up props.

i walk out of spawn.

i blow up a prop.

oops i died.

new life.

no memory.

OH I HAVE A QUEST

i need to blow up props.

i have a gun that blows up props.

i walk out of spawn.

i blow up a prop.

oops i died.

new life.

no memory.

OH I HAVE A QUEST.

in a strict ROLEPLAY SENSE. I DID nothing wrong. I did not break NLR

 

[RAT CHIEF]

-1 for appeal. 

Trisha is a very effective raiding class. While you may have not been bothering many people, it is still part of RP and NLR should apply.

 

Spoiler

NLR exists

• Please use your best judgment to determine whether or not it is okay to return to a place after death. Most people don't care if you died to a hit at PD and come back. People will care if you died in a raid and come back. If you want to play it safe don't return to your place of death until the time is up, no one likes a sore loser. In this section, there are examples of what is considered NLR and what doesn't usually matter to most people.
• If you did die in a raid/heist, its simply over. You CAN NOT come back and continue raiding/defending unless you die to a natural event.
• If your raid is interrupted by raid interference (check Thief / Raiding rules), or a natural event (such as a train, being teleported by the pickle statue, or a sit), your raid timer may be reset after staff confirmation.
• During the Kill the VIP, Defend the Vault, Golden Printer & Retrieve the Package events, there is no NLR if you are trying to attack/defend the Event (NLR applies to all other situations during these events). This does NOT mean you can continually raid the same base if the Golden Printer is inside it.

 

Time Limits
Raiding Cooldown: There is no cooldown but you cannot raid the same person again within 20 minutes
Max Kidnapping Time: 5 minutes
Max Raiding Time: 10 minutes

Max Mega-Base Raiding Time: 20 minutes
Max Bank Heist Time: 20 minutes
Cooldown for raiding the PD: 15 minutes
NLR Time Limit: Read NLR rules above or until the raid or heist is over.

 

NLR Examples
Going back to the road you died on to a hitman to see your friends ALLOWED
Going back to the road you died on to a hitman to kill the hitman NOT ALLOWED
Jimmy going back to Jimmy's house after raiders raided it and killed him NOT ALLOWED
Going back to Jimmy's house you were raiding after you died NOT ALLOWED
Going back to finish a heist as a raider after you died NOT ALLOWED
Going back to defend a heist as a CP after you died NOT ALLOWED
Going back into the PD as a cop after you got killed by a Bounty Hunter ALLOWED
Going back into the PD as a raider after you got killed by a mugger ALLOWED
Going back to the outside of your base after you die in a raid to watch the raid. NOT ALLOWED

Killing the raiders on the way back to their base with your printers after you die. NOT ALLOWED

Finding the raider's base after you die and raiding them after they're done securing your printers. ALLOWED

 

[tali]

Hi there, senior moderator on titties rp tali here. I am going to give my opinion on this appeal.

 

Yes, what you did was break nlr. Even if this specific instance isn't mentioned in nlr rules, it's still nlr / failrp. The act of blowing up someone's prop is a raiding action. Which means you raided the same guy 10 times in the span of a few minutes. 

 

You blowing up their props, granted it was a dupe is still annoying and failrp. Since they reported you, you got the warning from Succ. A warn is more than lenient for this, as this really could've been a MNLR + Mass FailRP ban if we want to go there.

 

If you only did this 3-4 times I would vote for a reduction to a verbal, but as you clearly stated you did it 10 times, I think a warn is fair. Please use this as a learning experience for the future.

 

Also want to add at the bottom that this is in the rules. As blowing up props is raiding.

1 hour ago, Allex said:

Going back to Jimmy's house you were raiding after you died NOT ALLOWED

^ this is dying to anything but what we consider a natural event. ( Trains, etc... ). You console killing ends the raid and starts a 20 minute raid timer cooldown for that person. But as you stated you went back and did it immediately. Which is breaking NLR. 

 

1 hour ago, Allex said:

Raiding Cooldown: There is no cooldown but you cannot raid the same person again within 20 minutes

^ Copy of rule you posted showing the 20 min cooldown.

 

I will let you in on a little secret though. The quest states you only need to blow up 10 props. Those 10 props can be ones you own. As it does not state " other players props ".

 

When you're making an appeal, random comments about the staff member being "unprofessional" don't help your case. All he stated was that you made an appeal. These are public for everyone to view so I don't see how that is " Unprofessional "

 

Overall, you just did something dumb and got warned for it. It's really not the end of the world. The warn is valid so -1

Edited Thursday at 05:52 AM by tali

[Allex]

0 history, 0 warns, 0 bans, 0 issues before this when trying to do something baked into server quests and harming no one if the appeal does not go through ill just move servers and yall can keep your prop minging builders over people trying to legit rp, today was the first day i actually donated like 60 cad to the server because i mostly enjoy it but this is a 0/10 experience.

[MistaMousey]

8 hours ago, Allex said:

0 history, 0 warns, 0 bans, 0 issues before this when trying to do something baked into server quests

Hence why Zucc gave you a warn instead of a ban, which MNLR could've been especially seeing as you did die n come back a multitude of times. I get you're trying to do a lightning quest, they don't say "break nlr to complete" or to "kill bind and go back to the same guy" I get your frustration, but we have rules its that simple. NLR is a learning curve for a lot of people and no hate to it at all, when i first came around I no doubt broke it unintentionally. NLR applies to a multitude of scenarios and the raiding action you took, even if the intention wasn't to fully raid, started a NLR timer which you broke upon coming back over and over.

 

A warn won't end the world, so long as the action isn't repeated its just a bunch of words that don't truly effect you in game. If you wish to find a new server I won't be the one to stop you, but we aren't exactly trying to push you away over something this small either. 

 

As it stands this warn is valid, so I'll be -1 for appeal

[kiezuh]

Hey allex. there are so many of other ways you could have gone about doing this quest.

Like tali said here spawn your own and blow them up it doesn't specify "other player props" 

12 hours ago, tali said:

I will let you in on a little secret though. The quest states you only need to blow up 10 props. Those 10 props can be ones you own. As it does not state " other players props ".

 

 

12 hours ago, Allex said:

0 history, 0 warns, 0 bans, 0 issues before this when trying to do something baked into server quests and harming no one if the appeal does not go through ill just move servers and yall can keep your prop minging builders over people trying to legit rp, today was the first day i actually donated like 60 cad to the server because i mostly enjoy it but this is a 0/10 experience.

We are sorry you feel this way as we do what we can to keep leniency and proper punishment in our team. Succ gave you a warn for what defaults to a 1 week ban therefor he was being extremely lenient. 
Atp it is within the player to read the rules that we do have in place and understand them so they do not get punished.

All in all im -1 for this appeal.

On a positive note its just a singular warn brotha it will expire with due time, Just don't break NLR anymore

Edited Thursday at 06:35 PM by kiezuh