Appeal for FailRP warn

[HolyTacoCat64]

In-Game Name

TacoCat64

Your Steam ID

STEAM_0:0:139452594

Why were you banned or warned?

I was warned for FailRP (killed player with building sign).

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

I was completing a bounty and I did not lockpick, destroy props, or blow anything up in order get the kill. He did have a building sign up, but it was my understanding that you could complete a bounty if there was no damage to the player's base. Additionally, building signs only protect a player from being raided but not from other RP.

Who warned/banned you?

Sleepy Tomoko

How long were you warned or banned for?

Here is a picture of a previous forum posts that confirms this: https://imgur.com/a/DkdRgXc

Here is my recording of the situation: 

I am unsure if the circumstance has been changed but that is all I could find since its kind of a niche situation.

Edited February 6, 2025 by HolyTacoCat64

[Guest]

I can understand why a staff would warn for this as it is not written in the rules that you can complete bounties in a situation like this. I could be wrong, But from what I remember over the past years, this would be allowed and you shouldn't have been warned. Although this is a raid by technicality, in this very specific situation where the player has their base wide open and no props guarding them, I personally see no issue with completing the bounty. 

Right now I am +1 for warn removal

Edited February 6, 2025 by Kilobyte

[Sleepy Tomoko]

Sleepy here sorry for the late reply was at a passing ceremony of an x co-worke

 

Warn was issue for killing a player with building sign up , nothing !rules stated anything about what Tene had said which is

 

" as for the if u can/cant and what u can/cant do with a building sign up:
if you have a hit or a bounty on someone, as long as you don't need to lockpick/break any doors that were locked, break any windows, or break any props (and lockpick fading doors etc etc), then you are allowed to fine/complete bounties/hits/stalker on the player with the building sign, as u are not damaging the players' base or forcefully entering.
and yes this is via word of mouth from both staff and normal players/common sense -> This was done to be very lenient due to the constant complaints people made about not being able to complete hits/bounties. "

 

This was issued on July 14, 2024 by Tene on a post on forums but not on rules this was way before I was even staff ( joined on 9/17/24 )  I had always been told Building signs are RP free zones of any kind ( as long there is no ents ) 

 

so I am +1 for warn removal 

 

 

+1 to add this to !rules

[HolyTacoCat64]

1 hour ago, Sleepy Tomoko said:

Sleepy here sorry for the late reply was at a passing ceremony of an x co-worke

 

Warn was issue for killing a player with building sign up , nothing !rules stated anything about what Tene had said which is

 

" as for the if u can/cant and what u can/cant do with a building sign up:
if you have a hit or a bounty on someone, as long as you don't need to lockpick/break any doors that were locked, break any windows, or break any props (and lockpick fading doors etc etc), then you are allowed to fine/complete bounties/hits/stalker on the player with the building sign, as u are not damaging the players' base or forcefully entering.
and yes this is via word of mouth from both staff and normal players/common sense -> This was done to be very lenient due to the constant complaints people made about not being able to complete hits/bounties. "

 

This was issued on July 14, 2024 by Tene on a post on forums but not on rules this was way before I was even staff ( joined on 9/17/24 )  I had always been told Building signs are RP free zones of any kind ( as long there is no ents ) 

 

so I am +1 for warn removal 

 

 

+1 to add this to !rules

Yeah I hadn't seen anything else about how bounties and building signs worked together. I do believe the rules should be updated if they do in fact protect from all types of RP. I appreciate your reply!

[Decent Human Being]

Its up to the player to lock their doors to prevent this if they have a building sign. If you don't break their door or destroy props there is no harm and you are just doing your job function,

 

+1 for warn removal

[Henchy]

Yeah you didn't break any props, and there was no forced entry. You just went in and killed your target which is fine.

 

+1 for warn removal

[Tene]

yeah i mean just off of precedent over the years from tons and tons of ex-staff /scenarios ive encountered myself, as long as there is no raid tools used, doors broken/unlocked, props broken, fading doors opened, etc etc (obvious raiding utility/strats) then you're perfectly fine to raid a base with a building sign as long as it is for the completion of the job's purpose and theres no other way to complete that job function - ie: hitman with a hit on a player inside of a base with a building sign literally cant complete their job function UNLESS they kill him, so long as there is no damage to the base / forced entry then it is fine for him to kill him -> This of course would not be the same for jobs like sewer lord, as there are other people they could be killing to complete their job's function as their function isnt locked solely onto one specific player

As you can see, that is a lot, and I'd have to think of how to write all of that concisely but not loopholeably in the rules, but i'd be happy with adding it into the motd - the main issue is that once its written it means people can loophole it way easier by going around it saying ''well that part isnt written but this part is so obviously this part is allowed!''.

Anyways, as the literal person who has this precedent written down that you are referring to in your appeal, I will be accepting this.

Edited February 8, 2025 by Tene