Report on PLANTLOVER1952, IMPERSONATION, EXPLOITING, FAILRAIDS

[Fleazies velk.ca]

11 hours ago, F___ said:

Idk why its a discussion for smer to get a verbal for exploiting here, its exploiting, doesn't matter the intent exploiting is exploiting and this wouldn't the frist time smer has been caught exploiting. 

 

IMO bare minimum should be a ban not a slap on the wrist and walk away from it scott free.

 

As for Fabrizio, being a staff member who watch it happen and did nothing about it something has to be done there. If he had done what he's supposed to this report wouldn't exist in the first place. Some sort of punishment should come from this to Fabrizio whether it be a strike or demote.

 

+1 for minimum 1 month ban for smer

+1 for Strike/demote on Fabrizio 

Hello!

 

    I would like to further advance my point of view on this as this has developed into a needlessly complicated topic.

 

    Fabrizio is a staff member who was directly involved in this situation. NO MATTER what you want to say about him not taking his own SIT, this does not change the fact that staff are HIGHLY DISCOURAGED from handling their own SITS, as said in the T-mod training sheet. Fabrizio found it appropriate to sort this situation out in forums rather than in game. We also believe handling this on the forums serves for better documentation of our issues as well as our voices being heard.

 

    It’s unfair and biased to criticize Fabrizio for his actions, trashing Fabrizio for not taking his own SIT is uncalled for as you are acting like he's the only one who would be able to take a SIT in this situation. I (DANIEL) called a SIT when Umar Captain Muslim was online, and he did not take it. (https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iPIZwyc6WZ2KoRQp1/d1337Vy2hAqK?invite=cr-MSwxcXcsMjEzMDI4NjI2LA). What you claim is Fabrizio SHOULD have taken this SIT, despite the fact that staff are not supposed to be taking their own SITS. Umar Captain Muslim being in a party with the exploiter, most likely knowing what Smer is doing, then leaving the game is highly suspicious  (https://ibb.co/ynFFT2R) (https://ibb.co/6nwnjNL).You are making this out to be a lose/lose scenario for Fabrizio despite not calling out Umar Captain Muslim for doing the exact same thing. Fabrizio made the right decision of taking this to the forums instead of making his own SIT. One thing to note, the other staff online were 2 trial mods that likely would not have been able to handle a SIT that complicated. I am curious as to what excuse Umar Captain Muslim has for us now, as he left the game while Smer was exploiting last time. The same exact circumstances but a different day. 

 

    Now, to talk about the player that is being reported, plantlover1952, this is not their first time exploiting into a base owned by us. In fact, they have a relatively recent ban from previously this year for exploiting (https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21344-plantlover19552-smer-exploiting-suspected-staff-and-gang-association/). For verbal warnings, they are for people with clean records or people that don't seem like they would know better. Plantlover1952 has been playing this server for a long time and seems to have a history of doing things like this, leading us to believe a verbal warning wouldn't be sufficient punishment for a player like him. I'd like to include as master stalker Piklas raided us, despite having no target in our base (https://ibb.co/1MkM7cV).

 

    You also bring up the point that the exploiting was harmless because there were no ents (which is wrong as in one of the clips provided there is a single money printer in a pickup box) therefore the punishment should be lesser, but this argument is invalid.  Abiding by this logic, you support the claim that you could unpaste a dupe with no ents to save the raiders time and it shouldn't be considered FailRP. Rules are rules, and they should always be enforced no matter what.

 

    Overall, the behavior demonstrated is despicable. These people continuously put the blame on Fabrizio, and they never admit they are wrong. Even in the Dr Perky report, plantlover1952 tried to lie and say it wasn't him glitching into our base, when all of us knew. We expect these players to face punishment as unfair gameplay shouldn't be tolerated here. 

 

Thanks for reading!

NOOB BASERS

[Opila Bird]

31 minutes ago, Fleazies velk.ca said:

trashing Fabrizio for not taking his own SIT

no sit is needed, he refused to even tell him to stop ever

[rackcitybitch]

2 minutes ago, bugman said:

no sit is needed, he refused to even tell him to stop ever

is this the only thing you have to say to that entire post

[Fleazies velk.ca]

25 minutes ago, bugman said:

no sit is needed, he refused to even tell him to stop ever

Hello!

 

Thanks for your reply! Me and HIM were telling plantlover to stop his antics:

https://ibb.co/XsNLkgr
https://ibb.co/tqnQKFH
https://ibb.co/5n4qpxZ
https://ibb.co/hDnV9xN

 

Thanks for reading!
NOOB BASERS

 

[Opila Bird]

12 minutes ago, Fleazies velk.ca said:

Hello!

 

Thanks for your reply! Me and HIM were telling plantlover to stop his antics:

https://ibb.co/XsNLkgr
https://ibb.co/tqnQKFH
https://ibb.co/5n4qpxZ
https://ibb.co/hDnV9xN

 

Thanks for reading!
NOOB BASERS

None of those are  fabrizio(who I am referring to)

I would also like to see why you cropped all of these messages so heavily when it is clearly a clip(medal time scrubber in the first ss.) 
If you uploaded the clips in full then I think it would give a more proper understanding of the context.

[1-800-Suicide]

27 minutes ago, bugman said:

None of those are  fabrizio(who I am referring to)

I would also like to see why you cropped all of these messages so heavily when it is clearly a clip(medal time scrubber in the first ss.) 
If you uploaded the clips in full then I think it would give a more proper understanding of the context.

It would show them laughing about the unserious whole situation is and how they are going to make a reports for drama later

edit: multiple reports

Edited October 8 by 1-800-Suicide

[Tene]

  

1 hour ago, Fleazies velk.ca said:

Hello!

 

    I would like to further advance my point of view on this as this has developed into a needlessly complicated topic.

 

    Fabrizio is a staff member who was directly involved in this situation. NO MATTER what you want to say about him not taking his own SIT, this does not change the fact that staff are HIGHLY DISCOURAGED from handling their own SITS, as said in the T-mod training sheet. Fabrizio found it appropriate to sort this situation out in forums rather than in game. We also believe handling this on the forums serves for better documentation of our issues as well as our voices being heard.

yeah so issue is that he was saying ingame to me that he wasnt dealing with it ingame out of fear of being called bias, but there were 8 other staff online he couldve asked to deal with it for him, which is a way large enough collective to just handle it ingame and choose someone who has no bias at all, and potentially even just discuss in staff chat then and there on the punishment and have it handled ingame very swiftly.

they are discouraged from handling their own sits if they believe they will be bias in it, sure, but when theres 8 other staff online and you're intentionally not handling it ingame with the intent of taking it to the forums for a big forums event (nonchalant gulp cat gif) it says that you arent dealing with it because you want drama, not because you are unsure of the punishment to give. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Fleazies velk.ca said:

 

 It’s unfair and biased to criticize Fabrizio for his actions, trashing Fabrizio for not taking his own SIT is uncalled for as you are acting like he's the only one who would be able to take a SIT in this situation. I (DANIEL) called a SIT when Umar Captain Muslim was online, and he did not take it. (https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iPIZwyc6WZ2KoRQp1/d1337Vy2hAqK?invite=cr-MSwxcXcsMjEzMDI4NjI2LA). What you claim is Fabrizio SHOULD have taken this SIT, despite the fact that staff are not supposed to be taking their own SITS. Umar Captain Muslim being in a party with the exploiter, most likely knowing what Smer is doing, then leaving the game is highly suspicious  (https://ibb.co/ynFFT2R) (https://ibb.co/6nwnjNL).You are making this out to be a lose/lose scenario for Fabrizio despite not calling out Umar Captain Muslim for doing the exact same thing. Fabrizio made the right decision of taking this to the forums instead of making his own SIT. One thing to note, the other staff online were 2 trial mods that likely would not have been able to handle a SIT that complicated. I am curious as to what excuse Umar Captain Muslim has for us now, as he left the game while Smer was exploiting last time. The same exact circumstances but a different day. 

 

On 10/7/2024 at 4:14 AM, Terrry said:

I was making dinner when all of this went down 

 

On 10/7/2024 at 1:58 AM, Fabrizio said:

we posted everything on forums instead of in-game so it can shed more light. 

 

On 10/7/2024 at 3:44 AM, Fabrizio said:

we knew from the beginning we were gonna report on forums

so i guess its terrys fault for eating dinner and being afk and not the mods fault who was actively allowing the user to exploit and not dealing with it. i could see the blame on terry being valid if fabrizio asked in staff chat for someone (like terry) to help him  deal with it (and maybe a reply from terry saying something like no), but there was nothing in staff chat ever put mentioning the exploit, so fabrizio was quite literally watching it happen, interacting with the player, but not telling him to stop or requesting other staff deal with it - he knew from the beginning he was reporting on forums so he allowed it to be repeated despite the behaviour you claim to be as ''despicable''.

when i was online and talking to fabrizio about it, there still was no forums report, and there were 8 staff online that he could have asked, but he insisted on not having it dealt with ingame even by other staff.

 

 

1 hour ago, Fleazies velk.ca said:

   Now, to talk about the player that is being reported, plantlover1952, this is not their first time exploiting into a base owned by us. In fact, they have a relatively recent ban from previously this year for exploiting (https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21344-plantlover19552-smer-exploiting-suspected-staff-and-gang-association/). For verbal warnings, they are for people with clean records or people that don't seem like they would know better. Plantlover1952 has been playing this server for a long time and seems to have a history of doing things like this, leading us to believe a verbal warning wouldn't be sufficient punishment for a player like him.

I would like to say that I do entirely agree, a verbal for this is extremely light considering he has a past ban for this (despite the intent and use being different). I think a week ban is fair for this, as he didn't use it to raid or for malicious intent and looks to just be messing around with your group.

This is how exploiting bans are determined, im not sure what the 'advantage' gained was for this case, but comparing it to his last one where he raided a base and blew up ents/killed players and received 1 month, i'd say this is significantly less of an advantage/malicious use, so 1 week (in my opinion) seems fair. -> His last ban for this was 5 months ago, 2 weeks shy of 6 months old.

 

 

1 hour ago, Fleazies velk.ca said:

 You also bring up the point that the exploiting was harmless because there were no ents (which is wrong as in one of the clips provided there is a single money printer in a pickup box) therefore the punishment should be lesser, but this argument is invalid.  Abiding by this logic, you support the claim that you could unpaste a dupe with no ents to save the raiders time and it shouldn't be considered FailRP. Rules are rules, and they should always be enforced no matter what

exploiting and failrp are 2 different things, and exploiting bans are based solely off of advantage gained as per guidelines (or i guess malice and stuff too but its mostly advantage gained/damage caused) - which in this case is literally minimal. You can try and pretend like he was using this exploit maliciously to raid you, but again as shown in ur clips where your group and the moderator are all chasing him around ur base (one with a drilldo), its hard to argue that it was an extremely malicious raid attempt and that he was not just using a wheelchair fucking around in ur base.


also slightly unrelated but thought it was funny that this is how extreme you guys believe this scenario to be (its a guy micspamming in a wheelchair), yet u didnt have fabrizio attempt to handle it ingame

people criticising you guys for not handling it ingame solely for the purpose of dramafarming after messing around with the user exploiting (showing that it isnt as important as u guys have made this out to be and as shown in past replies this is all for drama) does not mean they are rape supporters.


(for people that saw legerbs comment before it was hidden because im still getting asked to reply to it)
I spoke with legerbs in dms, and agree with him that a 1 week ban for this is valid as its not a crazy severe thing, but does still count as exploiting. 


I am +1 for a 1 week ban on Smerexy for exploiting
I will not vote on Fabrizio's staff status as I believe i've already made it clear enough in this thread what I think of him in a staff position.

[rackcitybitch]

7 minutes ago, Tene said:

  

yeah so issue is that he was saying ingame to me that he wasnt dealing with it ingame out of fear of being called bias, but there were 8 other staff online he couldve asked to deal with it for him, which is a way large enough collective to just handle it ingame and choose someone who has no bias at all, and potentially even just discuss in staff chat then and there on the punishment and have it handled ingame very swiftly.

they are discouraged from handling their own sits if they believe they will be bias in it, sure, but when theres 8 other staff online and you're intentionally not handling it ingame with the intent of taking it to the forums for a big forums event (nonchalant gulp cat gif) it says that you arent dealing with it because you want drama, not because you are unsure of the punishment to give. 
 

 

 

 

 

so i guess its terrys fault for eating dinner and being afk and not the mods fault who was actively allowing the user to exploit and not dealing with it. i could see the blame on terry being valid if fabrizio asked in staff chat for someone (like terry) to help him  deal with it (and maybe a reply from terry saying something like no), but there was nothing in staff chat ever put mentioning the exploit, so fabrizio was quite literally watching it happen, interacting with the player, but not telling him to stop or requesting other staff deal with it - he knew from the beginning he was reporting on forums so he allowed it to be repeated despite the behaviour you claim to be as ''despicable''.

when i was online and talking to fabrizio about it, there still was no forums report, and there were 8 staff online that he could have asked, but he insisted on not having it dealt with ingame even by other staff.

 

 

I would like to say that I do entirely agree, a verbal for this is extremely light considering he has a past ban for this (despite the intent and use being different). I think a week ban is fair for this, as he didn't use it to raid or for malicious intent and looks to just be messing around with your group.

This is how exploiting bans are determined, im not sure what the 'advantage' gained was for this case, but comparing it to his last one where he raided a base and blew up ents/killed players and received 1 month, i'd say this is significantly less of an advantage/malicious use, so 1 week (in my opinion) seems fair. -> His last ban for this was 5 months ago, 2 weeks shy of 6 months old.

 

 

exploiting and failrp are 2 different things, and exploiting bans are based solely off of advantage gained as per guidelines (or i guess malice and stuff too but its mostly advantage gained/damage caused) - which in this case is literally minimal. You can try and pretend like he was using this exploit maliciously to raid you, but again as shown in ur clips where your group and the moderator are all chasing him around ur base (one with a drilldo), its hard to argue that it was an extremely malicious raid attempt and that he was not just using a wheelchair fucking around in ur base.


also slightly unrelated but thought it was funny that this is how extreme you guys believe this scenario to be (its a guy micspamming in a wheelchair), yet u didnt have fabrizio attempt to handle it ingame

people criticising you guys for not handling it ingame solely for the purpose of dramafarming after messing around with the user exploiting (showing that it isnt as important as u guys have made this out to be and as shown in past replies this is all for drama) does not mean they are rape supporters.


(for people that saw legerbs comment before it was hidden because im still getting asked to reply to it)
I spoke with legerbs in dms, and agree with him that a 1 week ban for this is valid as its not a crazy severe thing, but does still count as exploiting. 


I am +1 for a 1 week ban on Smerexy for exploiting
I will not vote on Fabrizio's staff status as I believe i've already made it clear enough in this thread what I think of him in a staff position.

can i not talk about this forum post? i was just getting caught up on this thread since i have been paying so much attention to itand said something about it in general. I made a half joke relating to a comment in the thread where i believe i was not really escalating the argument so why involve me in this thread/argument, specifically screenshotting me in general the paragraph you talk about? just because i say something doesn't mean people i know believe the things i say. I would not assume that about you or your friends tene.

[JeromeASF]

1 hour ago, Tene said:

  

yeah so issue is that he was saying ingame to me that he wasnt dealing with it ingame out of fear of being called bias, but there were 8 other staff online he couldve asked to deal with it for him, which is a way large enough collective to just handle it ingame and choose someone who has no bias at all, and potentially even just discuss in staff chat then and there on the punishment and have it handled ingame very swiftly.

they are discouraged from handling their own sits if they believe they will be bias in it, sure, but when theres 8 other staff online and you're intentionally not handling it ingame with the intent of taking it to the forums for a big forums event (nonchalant gulp cat gif) it says that you arent dealing with it because you want drama, not because you are unsure of the punishment to give. 
 

 

 

 

 

so i guess its terrys fault for eating dinner and being afk and not the mods fault who was actively allowing the user to exploit and not dealing with it. i could see the blame on terry being valid if fabrizio asked in staff chat for someone (like terry) to help him  deal with it (and maybe a reply from terry saying something like no), but there was nothing in staff chat ever put mentioning the exploit, so fabrizio was quite literally watching it happen, interacting with the player, but not telling him to stop or requesting other staff deal with it - he knew from the beginning he was reporting on forums so he allowed it to be repeated despite the behaviour you claim to be as ''despicable''.

when i was online and talking to fabrizio about it, there still was no forums report, and there were 8 staff online that he could have asked, but he insisted on not having it dealt with ingame even by other staff.

 

 

I would like to say that I do entirely agree, a verbal for this is extremely light considering he has a past ban for this (despite the intent and use being different). I think a week ban is fair for this, as he didn't use it to raid or for malicious intent and looks to just be messing around with your group.

This is how exploiting bans are determined, im not sure what the 'advantage' gained was for this case, but comparing it to his last one where he raided a base and blew up ents/killed players and received 1 month, i'd say this is significantly less of an advantage/malicious use, so 1 week (in my opinion) seems fair. -> His last ban for this was 5 months ago, 2 weeks shy of 6 months old.

 

 

exploiting and failrp are 2 different things, and exploiting bans are based solely off of advantage gained as per guidelines (or i guess malice and stuff too but its mostly advantage gained/damage caused) - which in this case is literally minimal. You can try and pretend like he was using this exploit maliciously to raid you, but again as shown in ur clips where your group and the moderator are all chasing him around ur base (one with a drilldo), its hard to argue that it was an extremely malicious raid attempt and that he was not just using a wheelchair fucking around in ur base.


also slightly unrelated but thought it was funny that this is how extreme you guys believe this scenario to be (its a guy micspamming in a wheelchair), yet u didnt have fabrizio attempt to handle it ingame

people criticising you guys for not handling it ingame solely for the purpose of dramafarming after messing around with the user exploiting (showing that it isnt as important as u guys have made this out to be and as shown in past replies this is all for drama) does not mean they are rape supporters.


(for people that saw legerbs comment before it was hidden because im still getting asked to reply to it)
I spoke with legerbs in dms, and agree with him that a 1 week ban for this is valid as its not a crazy severe thing, but does still count as exploiting. 


I am +1 for a 1 week ban on Smerexy for exploiting
I will not vote on Fabrizio's staff status as I believe i've already made it clear enough in this thread what I think of him in a staff position.

I will be changing my Vote to +1 for a 1 week ban for exploiting 

+1 for fabrizio to receive punishment 

[Fleazies velk.ca]

51 minutes ago, Terrry said:

I will be changing my Vote to +1 for a 1 week ban for exploiting 

+1 for fabrizio to receive punishment 

Hello!

 

Fabrizio not taking the sit is viewed in a negative light, but you doing the same is somehow OK. Last time this happened, you also logged off of the game and claimed it to be due to "weather problems". I really believe you try to dismiss these situations instead of trying to take responsibility for your party members. If fabrizio faces punishment, you should aswell.

 

Thanks for reading!

NOOB BASERS