Ban Appeal For (My name is a string of letters and words but it starts with 123)

[Hodir]

In-Game Name

123 (see title)

Your Steam ID

76561198060830816/

Why were you banned or warned?

RDM

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

Wasn't given a chance to explain myself

Who warned/banned you?

"gmodplayer"

How long were you warned or banned for?

3 months

Hey,

 

I just got banned. 

 

I was banned for RDM 

 

I got called into a sit and was immediately banned without even being given a chance to explain myself. I don't know if the guy I killed was friends with the admin or what, but what I did was by no means RDM.

 

 

The admin simply said "you sniped 5 people" and then I was banned. 

 

 

The First 3 shootings:
 

All happened within the span of 15 seconds.

 

I'm standing by a gun shelf and a guy (we'll call him bob because I don't know his name but he comes back later) stabs a cop. I try to shoot him but the Dragunov aim is terrible so I hit a bystander who doesn't die, kill a bystander, and then kill bob. Those are the first 3 shootings. There is nothing random about that. 

 

Then, I go to the mayors office window and observe bob commit another stabbing. I shoot bob again.

 

Then I'm called into a sit and then banned. 

 

The ONLY other kill that I can remember is when I cuffed a Hacker, but another cop (a master chief) told me to uncuff him so I did. I went to leave and the uncuffed guy shot me and almost killed me but I barely killed him in time.

 

 

 

Obviously I want to be unbanned, but I want to know why I was banned so quickly without any evidence? Like can I not be given literally 30 seconds to explain my story? Why do I have to come here to do it?

 

If I'm wrong then fine, post the logs and I'll happily eat the ban and uninstall Garry's Mod. At this point I care more about why I was handed down such a long punishment so swiftly without even 15 seconds to share my side of events. 

 

 

To recap

 

1. Bob knifes cop

2. I try to kill bop, hitting two other people and killing one of them.

3. I kill bob.

4. Bob commits another stabbing, I kill bob again.

 

Bob reports me and I get banned in 15 seconds. Genuinely confused. Also, again, Bob isn't his real name. I don't know his name.

 

 

Please just post the logs and I'll be happy to eat my own words.

 

 

Make sure you post Bob's damage logs too, because he was stabbing people. 

 

 

EDIT: For context, bob was a master thief or whatever the job is that has headphones on and spawns with a knife. 

Edited September 18, 2024 by Hodir

[Community Removal]

why do you have so many mrdm bans and rdm warns in the first place

[You]

For clarification, you were banned by Joey Skylynx. I will wait until I hear his opinion on this before casting a vote.

[Joey Skylynx]

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Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed AHBLOH (Hellsing corp) (STEAM_0:0:175423963) with weapon tfcss_svu <17-09-2024 / 19:02:26>
Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed Insane Man (Rebels) (STEAM_0:0:459430998) with weapon tfcss_svu <17-09-2024 / 19:01:06>
Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed gmodplayer22 (source engine fan) (STEAM_0:0:447101107) with weapon tfcss_sg552 <17-09-2024 / 19:01:03>

All of these kills were done from the Mayor's window. I had been spectating you since the point about when you killed the player Yolky, who would be the hacker you are referring too. After this you immediately went to PD Window, and just started picking people off at the fountain. All of which had not broken any law that would really give reason to authorize lethal force. Not to mention in your own statement you bring up the fact that you killed bystanders because the SVU was inaccurate, but that brings into question... Why would you keep using it then?

 

The reason for the increased ban length is because you have multiple priors for MRDM. Both bans and warns.

[Hodir]

The dragunov is only inaccurate when you're rapid firing. I decided to keep using it because it was the only long range weapon I had. I was spamming to save the cop getting stabbed by bob, leading to the death of the Bystander. 

 

 

Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed Insane Man (Rebels) (STEAM_0:0:459430998) with weapon tfcss_svu <17-09-2024 / 19:01:06>
Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed gmodplayer22 (source engine fan) (STEAM_0:0:447101107) with weapon tfcss_sg552 <17-09-2024 / 19:01:03>

 

These two kills are the bystander and bob. Happening only 3 seconds apart and not from the mayors window. 

 

Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed AHBLOH (Hellsing corp) (STEAM_0:0:175423963) with weapon tfcss_svu <17-09-2024 / 19:02:26>

What job was AHBLOH? If they were both the same job then maybe I thought AHBLOH was bob but the idea that I was going around mass rdming people is complete nonsense. We could have easily talked through this.

 

1. If you were flying around following me invisible, do you have ANY footage to corroborate your story?

2. Why did you say I "killed 5 people" when I only killed 3 

3. Why did you ban me so quickly that I couldn't get a word in. I got banned so fast I thought the server crashed and that I was going to get penalized for ban evasion by mistake.

4. My last ban was appealed (it was 1 week) but it was never removed from my record despite it being false.

 

 

 

If I killed AHBLOH instead of bob which according to your logs is what happened, I'm sincerely sorry. But your own story doesn't even make sense. Where are the logs of me "picking people off at the fountain?"

All you've shown is the logs from the scenario at the gun shelf where I killed bob and then a bystander. The bystander was unlucky and it happens. Bob deserved to die. 

 

I would love for an admin to show the logs of 

Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed Insane Man (Rebels) (STEAM_0:0:459430998) with weapon tfcss_svu <17-09-2024 / 19:01:06>


Why don't you show us what Insane Man (Bob) was doing??? He stabbed a cop. 

 

If it's shown that Insane Man was stabbing a cop, and then I killed him then clearly that killing was justified. If that killing was justified, then it backs up my earlier story about accidentally shooting a bystander before I killed Insane Man (bob). If that's true (and it is) then where is your evidence of me "picking people off at the fountain?" A single kill a minute later = Mass RDM?

 

I asked you to show the logs for Insane Man (who I referred to as Bob in the OP) and you intentionally didn't. 

 

That's because it would cause your story to fall apart at the seams. I can get in discord and explain things more clearly over voice since you adamantly denied me the opportunity to do that when doing so would've been prudent. 

 

 

WAIT

 

I just realized 

 

I was about to submit this reply and then I read the name of the bystander. It was YOU! 

 

So in an attempt to kill bob I accidentally killed you, you spectated me, saw me shoot someone and then instantly banned me. You were under the name "gmodplayer" with dark green text when I was banned. 

 

You're banning me because you're mad I killed you in the crossfire of attempting to kill Insane Man (bob)


Can I please get an independent mod to verify all of this because it is 1000% true and this is simple retaliation and pettiness.

[Joey Skylynx]

I can provide the logs to the admin present, but just for clarification:

 

If you were to click my profile, and click "Player Profile - View" on the right side of the screen, you would be able to get my player profile with my STEAMID. Which is STEAM_0:1:11061926.

The SteamID of the user who called the city, gmodplayer22, is listed in the log: STEAM_0:0:447101107

 

As for the question of, "what about Insane Man stabbing a cop" I never saw that in the logs. The logs presented show you shooting gmodplayer22, killing them, and then shooting Insane. Also of note is the fact that in that short time frame you switched from the SG552, and started using the Dragunov SVU to continue shooting at Insane. gmodplayer22 made a sit request after the fact.

 

Also to quick run the questions.

 

1. If you were flying around following me invisible, do you have ANY footage to corroborate your story?

* I used a command called spectate which allows me to see what you are doing in both first and third person.  I had also used a command called ShowNLR which allows me to see exactly where you killed someone from, and the direction that individual was looking at the time of death(also shows weapons). I had used both in order to look into the story of gmodplayer22 while you were moving around at the PD. As for the comment of "Do you have footage?" No. Unless something really special comes up, for example aimbotters, I usually do not record MRDM cases because on average I deal with about twenty of them per day.

 

2. Why did you say I "killed 5 people" when I only killed 3 

* The three in the logs are the ones that I could verify as RDM. The fourth(Yolky) is someone I could verify with damagelogs as having damaged you first and then being killed in self defense. Therefore, not RDM. Log presented below:

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Player 12319563PULBK (SWAT Enforcer) (STEAM_0:0:50282544) killed Yolky Montenips (Hacker) (STEAM_0:1:123334369) with weapon tfcss_m4 <17-09-2024 / 18:54:27>

Also I'm kinda confused on something right now. If I stated, "You killed 5 people" that sorta tears apart the timeline of me not communicating with you about why the ban was being done, correct?

3. Why did you ban me so quickly that I couldn't get a word in. I got banned so fast I thought the server crashed and that I was going to get penalized for ban evasion by mistake.

* By the time of your initial JailTP to the point I actually banned you was roughly a minute and thirty seconds. This also doesn't include the time spent Spectating, ShowNLR'ing, reading SLogs, and cross verifying with with the effected parties. With cases of RDM/MRDM, the expectation is that we have those cases closed in roughly between 1m30s to 3m. This is to avoid burdening players by taking them out of RPLand and possibly causing drama.

 

4. My last ban was appealed (it was 1 week) but it was never removed from my record despite it being false.

* If this is actually the case I'll lower it down to Prior x3... Which would still be 8w. It's also worth noting that several of your prior bans should have been up'ed with Prior x[], because the way it works is that repeat offenses in 45 days cause the bans to stack x2 the initial offense. Lot of our newer staff members forget to do that, but it is what it is.

[Hodir]

First off I want to say thanks for actually replying to my post because obviously there's a lot to it. 

 

To reply to your quick run questions;

 

1. Please show evidence of the ShowNLR. It's just your word against mine and I'm adamant that what I'm saying is true. Obviously you're an admin so people will take your side which is understandable but the fact of the matter is that I only killed one person from the mayors window. 

 

2. The fact of the matter is you still said I killed 5 people. Everything I said in my original story is true. It looks like Yolky is that guy who damaged me after I uncuffed him. 

 

3. Surely there are logs to verify that? You didn't even give me 30 seconds. I'm not saying you're lying but you're clearly misremembering because the ban was SO fast I legit thought the server crashed. Usually when I've been banned in the past I get booted out of the server but in this instance my screen just went black. I let it sit black for about 45 seconds then tried to rejoin the server and saw my penalty. EVEN if you're meant to close a case in 1:30-3 mins, you didn't give me that. Also, this isn't a case of me just gunning down every person I saw. There is a plausible explanation for everyone I killed. I deserved the bare minimum time to explain my side of the story. I'm not saying you need to become a full blown detective but can you at least hear my version of events? Even if you would've reached the same conclusion, it would've spared us the burden of having to do it here on the forums instead. At the end of the day, the fact that you banned me in less than 30 seconds is an inarguable fact. From the time I got jailed, I was banned within 30 seconds. 

 

Also, where are the logs of InsaneMan. You're saying I killed him as "RDM.". Show InsaneMan's logs right now and if he didn't stab anyone then I'll leave this server in the past. If he did stab someone, then me killing him and also killing the bystander in crossfire WAS NOT RDM. 

 

There's no reason for you not to provide InsaneMan's logs apart from you trying to cover up a situation that you misread and are refusing to clarify. 

 

4. I was falsely banned and then unbanned. It is still in the "accepted" section of ban appeals so it is easy to find. I was told to reach out to an admin when I got online in order to get my ban cleared. I did that, and the admin said he would post in the admin channel in discord to get it sorted. As for if it ever got sorted, I couldn't tell you.

 

 

To recap:

 

 

1. I only killed 1 person from the Mayors office. 

2. I only killed 3 people that you're questioning (you admit the 4th was in self defense). In the sit you said it was 5 people (over voice chat).

3. You gave me less than or approximately 30 seconds to defend myself. I listened to you tell me I killed 5 people and before I could respond I was banned.

4. My last ban was in fact appealed.

 

 

Show me InsaneMan's logs. It'll show he stabbed a cop, it'll show I killed him for it, and that a bystander was caught in the crossfire and died in the process. If it does, then your story has no credibility. 

 

I'm less confident but still fairly sure gmodplayer also stabbed someone. 

[Joey Skylynx]

The export log function only records the interactions between you and those that you damage.  I do not have InsaneMan's logs, nor do I have visual copies of ShowNLR/Spectate.

As already stated, outside extreme circumstances, staff members are not required to record a mountain of evidence beyond what the Export Log function shows us.

 

Your previous ban appeal was also regarding MRDA or Mass RDA. This current ban is regarding MRDM, and your several prior bans and warns for MRDM. This still means I was incorrect on that account and will lower it to Prior x3. Which would be 8 weeks vs. 16 weeks.

 

Edited September 18, 2024 by Joey Skylynx

[Community Removal]

i wish my question for having so many warns and bans for rdm/massrdm was answered, I feel like you should just be on your best behavior if you have gotten this many warns/bans for rdm in the last 2 months

[Hodir]

So you can't confirm that InsaneMan stabbed someone, and you didn't check it at the time of the ban which would've been prudent. So basically, I'm being banned for killing 3 people in the span of 3 minutes? Two of which were stabbing people, and one of which was just a bystander caught in the crossfire. You have no evidence of any of it being random, the ONLY thing you're using to justify the ban is the timeframe in which it happened. I feel like this would've been avoidable if you had heard me out instead of dropping the hammer on me in under 30 seconds. 

 

I know for a fact that you can see what InsaneMan was holding when I killed him, so why cant you show me that?

 

 

Even the fact that you're saying that I was "picking people off at the fountain" is patently wrong because the one person I did kill from the Mayors Office Window was almost directly below the window when I shot him. The only reason why I even realized he was stabbing someone in the first place was because I could literally HEAR it. 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, KKStoner said:

i wish my question for having so many warns and bans for rdm/massrdm was answered, I feel like you should just be on your best behavior if you have gotten this many warns/bans for rdm in the last 2 months

Best behavior as in what? I killed people who any other cop would've killed. Yes I messed up and crossfired the guy (who I believe was a meth cook) but other than that I just killed two dudes stabbing people. 

Edited September 18, 2024 by Hodir