Clarifying Enforcement and Rule Ambiguities: Unlicensed Weapons, Unwritten Rules, NLR, and Fine Policies

[elonmusk]

During my shift as an undercover officer, I suspected a man was carrying an illegal weapon and confirmed it upon search; he was unlicensed. However, I was called into an admin sit under the pretext of RDA. There, I clarified that my arrest was justified by the 'Illegal Activities' section of the rules, which allows arrests for unlicensed weapons if there's probable cause—like his firearm brandishing.

 

In response, the administrator pointed out unwritten rules that contradict the official ones, claiming my arrest was unjustified without explicit laws against weapons.

 

I'm writing to clarify: Is there truly an unwritten rule that conflicts with our formal policies? If so, why haven't the official rules been updated to reflect this? The existence of unwritten rules often leads to confusion, as I discover them only upon facing penalties. How can I adhere to rules I'm unaware of until it's too late?

 

For additional context, here’s the video link: 

 

On a different note, as a role-playing police officer, can citizens be fined for offenses listed in the handcuff menu, like building in the streets, without specific laws from the Mayor or established default laws?

 

Furthermore, I seek clarity on the NLR rule, especially regarding the action of 'wanting' someone after they've killed you. The rule advises using best judgment for scenarios like returning to a place of death, but it doesn't address 'wanting' someone directly. This ambiguity complicates enforcement, as the rule seems to lean on subjective interpretation. Could this action be justifiably included under the current guidelines of the NLR rule, particularly given the server's flexible approach to rule violations?

 

Additionally, the 'Illegal Activities' section explicitly states that unlicensed weapons are illegal. This raises a question: am I authorized to arrest anyone brandishing a firearm without a license, regardless of whether it's part of their spawn equipment or custom class? Does this rule also allow me to penalize individuals found with illegal weapons upon search, irrespective of how they acquired them?

[Insurance Agent]

first topic i was going off what i remember being the rule for that. and tapwater knew it that way as well but letter of rules does seem to contradict that. Would love to see some elaboration on that from someone more knowledgeable than us as im still adjusting to some newer rule changes. now as for the NLR situation.

 

So TLDR for today's NLR situation. he cuffed party member, i party assist killed him, 15 seconds later after hes dead he makes me wanted which breaks nlr simple enough. I went 1 district over raided a noob and as i turn around i see him flying at me gun him down and notice im also wanted. Vote demote him for NLR, he gets pissy about the demote and throws a fit so we turn it into a sit. TLDR he feels that since the rules dont say he cant want me its not NLR.

Edit Bone clarified on the RDA case he was just in his way of arresting and im glad i could be corrected on the matter but i stand my ground on the NLR topic

Edited April 23 by Insurance Agent

[elonmusk]

1 hour ago, Insurance Agent said:

first topic i was going off what i remember being the rule for that. and tapwater knew it that way as well but letter of rules does seem to contradict that. Would love to see some elaboration on that from someone more knowledgeable than us as im still adjusting to some newer rule changes. now as for the NLR situation.

 

So TLDR for today's NLR situation. he cuffed party member, i party assist killed him, 15 seconds later after hes dead he makes me wanted which breaks nlr simple enough. I went 1 district over raided a noob and as i turn around i see him flying at me gun him down and notice im also wanted. Vote demote him for NLR, he gets pissy about the demote and throws a fit so we turn it into a sit. TLDR he feels that since the rules dont say he cant want me its not NLR.

Edit Bone clarified on the RDA case he was just in his way of arresting and im glad i could be corrected on the matter but i stand my ground on the NLR topic

I think you might feel I'm attacking you, given phrases like 'he gets pissy' and 'throws a fit' you used, which isn’t accurate. I'm genuinely trying to deepen my understanding of the game's rules. In the NLR incident, you helped your friend by killing me after I cuffed him. Since the rules weren’t clear on whether I could 'want' you afterwards, I decided to do so. Shortly after, I pursued other bounties as usual and unknowingly picked one for the person I had previously fined—I assumed there was no NLR since he hadn't killed me. When I reached the distant location, you were unexpectedly there, killed me again, and initiated a demotion against me. This sequence of events led to an admin sit being held against me, which is why I've posted here. I’m seeking to clarify the rules, not to provoke or blame. You're a capable mod, though it seems there's a general lack of clarity about the rules among mods, which is understandable. Please know this isn’t meant as an attack; I value your role and input.

[Insurance Agent]

You did get pissy you started ranting in OOC afterwards which is ultimately why i even bothered to call a sit. half the server was telling you that your wrong and you continued to argue even after i quoted the rule i gave above about Loopholes in the sit. I called that sit because you obviously didnt understand rules around NLR and it was more to educate you than to punish. I never told him to warn you and was good with verbal. im not holding anything personally against you either. ive been fucking with you in RP cause i dont like cop mains but i do it within the bounds of the rules via hacker/mayor. i was doing that to 2kords last week. Ironically enough 2kords even agreed your a more annoying cop than him. (not that its a bad thing i used to cop main to its easy to annoy people as cop)

 

That said any defense i seemed to project stems from the fact i originally thought this was a report and didn't notice category due to using direct link to view it.

 

 

Edited April 23 by Insurance Agent

[WantedNearby]

There doesnt need to be a law it says default illegal activity is having a firearm without a license and the guy had a firearm without a license.

There is also no unwritten rule and especially not one thats been known for years.

This is the most recent addition to the rules which does not pertain to you as the guy was holding a firearm and you didn't even have to weapon check him since he's you know holding a weapon and you can see he has no license on his name tag.

• Random weapon checks (not including checkpoints) are not permitted unless there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is committing a crime (ex. verbal threats, active bounty, brandishing a weapon, advertising illegal services, etc.)

[Insurance Agent]

2 minutes ago, WantedNearby said:

There is also no unwritten rule and especially not one thats been known for years.

ik me and tap didnt both have the same dream one night. definitly used to hear it worded like this but again im adjusting to changes from old memory.

[TotallyTerrry]

-1 for this post in general.
Although yes, there is the rule under the cop category of !rules ingame which states

 

• Random weapon checks (excluding checkpoints) are not permitted unless there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is committing a crime (ex. verbal threats, active bounty, brandishing a weapon, advertising illegal services, etc.)

In this case, I highly disagree that the user kangchenjunga was certainly "brandishing" the weapon. Maybe we both need to go relook at the definition of what brandish means but here you go regardless.

In no way at any point when you saw this user was he holding his weapon any certain type of way, nor did he use threats or even look at you in a provocative way. He was just jumping giddily down the street and glanced at you and/or into the PD entrance. I could understand more of your POV if he in any case threatened you, if he aimed it at you for a period of time, or anything of this sort, but this player certainly did not.

I have no idea why your trying to argue this other than trying to get your way in the end. This is the 2nd case today personally that I have seen you trying to loophole the rules in one certain way or another, with the 2nd one being earlier today you were called to a sit because you broke NLR, which you did by right after your death you decided to warrant the player.

[Insurance Agent]

3 minutes ago, ChristIsTheMessiah said:

This is the 2nd case today personally that I have seen you trying to loophole

think this happened yesterday

[WantedNearby]

3 hours ago, elonmusk said:

I'm writing to clarify: Is there truly an unwritten rule that conflicts with our formal policies?

No

 

3 hours ago, elonmusk said:

There, I clarified that my arrest was justified by the 'Illegal Activities' section of the rules, which allows arrests for unlicensed weapons if there's probable cause—like his firearm brandishing.

You can arrest someone for having a gun out and having no license it is a default law till the mayor changes it

3 hours ago, elonmusk said:

This raises a question: am I authorized to arrest anyone brandishing a firearm without a license, regardless of whether it's part of their spawn equipment or custom class?

Yes

 

3 hours ago, elonmusk said:

Does this rule also allow me to penalize individuals found with illegal weapons upon search, irrespective of how they acquired them?

You need to have a valid reason to search
"Random weapon checks (not including checkpoints) are not permitted unless there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is committing a crime (ex. verbal threats, active bounty, brandishing a weapon,
advertising illegal services, etc.)"

3 hours ago, elonmusk said:

especially regarding the action of 'wanting' someone after they've killed you.

I would say do not want a player after they've killed you. You can maybe say in the cop job chat that so and so killed you and they can want that player but dont involve yourself in the same situation.

 

3 hours ago, elonmusk said:

On a different note, as a role-playing police officer, can citizens be fined for offenses listed in the handcuff menu, like building in the streets, without specific laws from the Mayor or established default laws?

I believe you can fine for building on the street considering no job should be doing it other than cop and this might be an in roleplay way to address that. For other things in there like I think its called Unstable Person, I would say that's basically just fining for disturbing the peace which is a default illegal activity. A lot of the other ones are just fluff to not have an extremely small menu but as long as its in roleplay I don't think you'll get in trouble for fining someone for terrorism when they're pipebombing PD.

[elonmusk]

Under the clear rule header 'You can be arrested for these actions,' possessing a firearm without a license is explicitly listed as an arrestable offense. The rule states, 'A Police may randomly search you if they have reason to believe you possess an unlicensed weapon, but it is a hostile action and you may fight back.' Ultimately, regardless of whether he was actively brandishing the weapon, I had full authority to proceed with the arrest. My suspicion was justified when the individual, a citizen, aimed a firearm at me without a visible weapon's license. This led me to conduct a weapon check, confirming the possession of an unlicensed firearm, and resulted in his arrest in accordance with the rules.

Edited April 23 by elonmusk