Pigergast False Warn :(((

[Zoosh]

Alright all of you can screw off, I told pigergast last night to have this handled on the forums due to the whole staff team being tired, Therefore making it easier on the tired staff team to rest, me and piger were getting off and going to bed. So to conclude this he looked at the evidence and did what he thought was right. Maybe he was wrong but no need to stone him. If pigergast feels his evidence is 100% right the players should have evidence of it being false, we encourage players to record at all times. So screw off your report we need some good staff and if were gonna get tmods demoted for trying to do their job then whats the point in having them. Trail-Moderators are new they fuck up alot so what. maybe it was a fuck up maybe not. I'm gonna defend piger in this case.

 

 

Closed for higher ups to decide.

[Cullen]

I was told to look into this matter, so I am reopenning this thread.

 

I need questions that need to be answered (I know it has been long, but I need this information in order to give a verdict):

• Can we describe what actually happened during the first death.
  You guys are saying, "Chance was blocking the way, and Sky warned him to move and he did." I don't understand this, please explain
• Like Walter said, Why is RDM part of the reason? When he was raiding, which is a valid reason to kill (Eventhough according to you guys he broke NLR).
  

[stoscher]

I was told to look into this matter, so I am reopenning this thread.

 

I need questions that need to be answered (I know it has been long, but I need this information in order to give a verdict):

• Can we describe what actually happened during the first death.
  You guys are saying, "Chance was blocking the way, and Sky warned him to move and he did." I don't understand this, please explain
  
• Like Walter said, Why is RDM part of the reason? When he was raiding, which is a valid reason to kill (Eventhough according to you guys he broke NLR).
  

 

Yes, I would love to answer your questions. For the first questions, this is skyty's side of the story(http://imgur.com/V3V9BNS). The TLDR of Chance's side of the story is that he wasn't in the doorway. Both skyty and Chance don't have any evidence to back up their side of the story. The only reliable evidence I had was the log(http://imgur.com/zJg35eL)

 

For the second question, I added revenge rdm to his warn because my interpretation of the rule is that it was NLR so it was not right for Chance to return and kill them, so it became RDM. And since he was targeting the person that he was just killed by, I added revenge rdm

[FadedMan]

I was told to look into this matter, so I am reopenning this thread.

 

I need questions that need to be answered (I know it has been long, but I need this information in order to give a verdict):

• Can we describe what actually happened during the first death.
  You guys are saying, "Chance was blocking the way, and Sky warned him to move and he did." I don't understand this, please explain
  
• Like Walter said, Why is RDM part of the reason? When he was raiding, which is a valid reason to kill (Eventhough according to you guys he broke NLR).
  

 I was standing in a doorway that skyty was trying to get through. he warned once then i backed up ( almost to the opposite wall, not a foot thats a lie). and then he killed me anyway. so i decided to raid the base he was in. it not nlr i did not die in a raid.

[HotShot26]

Why this could not have been NLR: "You can not raid a public area, any place with un locked doors should be considered a public area"

(I put quotes but is a paraphrased) 

 

Why it was not revenge RDM: In the next life he came to raid after he locked the doors and kicked him out so it is no longer accessible to the public making it raid-able.

[stoscher]

Why this could not have been NLR: "You can not raid a public area, any place with un locked doors should be considered a public area"

(I put quotes but is a paraphrased) 

 

Why it was not revenge RDM: In the next life he came to raid after he locked the doors and kicked him out so it is no longer accessible to the public making it raid-able.

 

Quarel is right in the first part, but I don't think it applies to the base skyty's basing in. If you look into to top of this picture(http://imgur.com/zJg35eL), that's the entrance to the base. The door was unlocked yes,  but there's a fading door right in front of it stopping people from just walking in the base. I've  also seen many other bases leave their doors open and unlocked with a fading door to block people(Speaking from experience) and I don't think having a door unlocked automatically means that your base is a public and vice versa. However that's just my personal knowledge of the rule and I could be wrong.

[Head Respected of TitsRP]

• A public place is a place with open doors and no entities inside such as a restaurant. If the place does have closed doors and the owners refuse to let you in that room, the place is considered raidable.
  

So yea, looking at the rule, I would say pigergast is correct about the entrance if you considered a fading door as a closed door.

[HotShot26]

• A public place is a place with open doors and no entities inside such as a restaurant. If the place does have closed doors and the owners refuse to let you in that room, the place is considered raidable.
  

So yea, looking at the rule, I would say pigergast is correct about the entrance if you considered a fading door as a closed door.

 

But he was in the part BEFORE the door, a restaurant can have a locked back part that IS raid-able but the part before that in the public area can be raided.

[FadedMan]

BUMP!

[FadedMan]

i'm Bumping this again please reply to this staff team