Falsely banned by VoN

[Covert Narcissist]

In-Game Name

Mayor Slayer

Your Steam ID

(STEAM_0:1:147828805)

Why were you banned or warned?

"Two false votekicks"

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

I made an initial votekick against Nawaf who attempted cuffing me while we were both officers. I outcuffed him, because I have the instant cuff perk. I attempted votekicking him, which failed and he attempted votekick me but that too failed.

Then later PD was being raided. There was no advert of any kind made to raid PD. I had an item, can't recall what it was and am not overly concerned about it if I can't remember what it was but I lost it to a guy raiding PD without adverting it. Which pissed me off. I attempted votekicking him but it failed.

So then VoN (STEAM_0:0:42848692) votebanned me for two false votekicks. Which is wrong, 1 false votekick at best (which is assuming Nawaf didn't attempt cuffing me, which he totally did attempt). The other votekick was WHOLEY JUSTIFIED but failed due to votes.

Who warned/banned you?

VoN (STEAM_0:0:42848692)

How long were you warned or banned for?

1 hour

Edited September 1 by Covert Narcissist
I stated "two votebans" when it was two votekicks I attempted.

[VoN]

You've attempted to votekick random people without any evidence as to whether or not they were actually breaking rules, you were also inciting other players to break rules

 

If everyone in the server is denying your votes & votes against you when it comes to you randomly votekicking players without basis, it says alot.

Upon asking you for your evidence as to whether or not this player was actually "raiding PD without advert", you refused.

 

Also continued to lie in Discord in regards to you inciting players to RDM in OOC

[Covert Narcissist]

3 hours ago, VoN said:

You've attempted to votekick random people without any evidence as to whether or not they were actually breaking rules, you were also inciting other players to break rules

 

If everyone in the server is denying your votes & votes against you when it comes to you randomly votekicking players without basis, it says alot.

Upon asking you for your evidence as to whether or not this player was actually "raiding PD without advert", you refused.

 

Also continued to lie in Discord in regards to you inciting players to RDM in OOC

These are not random people, the first person was Nawaf who attempted cuffing me in PD beside where Mayor gets elected, but I told him to back off. He then proceeded to walk toward me and cuff me again. That isn’t a random player. If Nawaf would like to make a forum report against me that’s up to him, you don’t need to be the middle man here.

 

The other guy, without adverting PD raid, walked into PD and straight up RDMed me outside the Mayor’s Office. That was not a random player.

 

As far as the lying in discord goes, you can clearly see I thought you were talking about the blue highlighted text with the players Billaby Rags and Dick Shumacher. You can clearly see in the post YOU SENT, I very CLEARLY stated that I was Mayor Slayer. Not either of the guys in the unnecessarily highlighted text. You know this and are just trying to distort information. ADDITIONALLY, you can see IN THIS FORUM REPORT AND THE $INFO @Eraithess (in discord that you used), that I am in fact without a doubt Mayor Slayer.

 

why you insist I’m lying is utterly ridiculous.

 

As far as photo evidence of the event goes, once being BANNED from the server I immediately joined the Private Supporter server where the command console logs were reset. So I asked you, in the discord that you’re great at reviewing and screenshotting, I asked you to screenshot in command console where the PD Raider adverted raiding.

 

you refused. Which is evident in the discord chat logs and I can provide photo evidence of.

Edited August 30 by Covert Narcissist

[Covert Narcissist]

23 minutes ago, VoN said:

Don't really feel like arguing you tbh. You can't provide evidence as to whether or not the people you were spamming votekicks on were valid. I votekicked you because there were no staff on and you were doing nothing but spamming them on people, even upon being vote-kicked you came back and continued to do the same thing, hence why I called a voteban as other people in chat were asking for that. As you would not stop, and are clearly just trying to minge.

If you're going to spam vote-kicks on people, take note of evidence/record what's happening, you shouldn't be relying on other players to pick that up for you.

 

I have not much to add as do you in regards to this matter, you were abusing your votekicks on people without any proper and you persisted even upon the community in chat inclining that you stop.

Here's another users input considering their message here is still "pending" [idk how these report forms work but it's pretty valid considering Whip was present within this situation.]

 

 

Spamming votekicking? I do believe I only ever attempted vote kicking two people. If I'm wrong, and I did in fact spam the vote kicking system to vote more than two players, than yeah, you're correct in votebanning me. However I don't recall that being the case and find your only evidence to be word of mouth. Meaning you saw me get votekicked after attempting to votekick a guy, and then I rejoined and later votekicked another guy.

You state "you (Mayor Slayer) were spamming votekicks", "you were doing nothing but spamming them on people, even upon being vote-kicked you came back and continued to do the same thing". 

 

Above and afterward you state that I was doing nothing but spamming votekicks. Which is odd, since I only votekicked two players.

 

You constantly ask for evidence, even though you votebanned me for an hour right before the server restart. You then refused to access logs, which you could have done after taking the time to ensure you had just reason to voteban me. Instead you use word of mouth (Whip Nae Nae) and demand I send video evidence. How did you plan on this working out? You even joke, that you're too busy eating a hot pocket and make joke about reading comphrehension. Did you think this voteban wasn't going to be appealed? You clearly aren't taking this very seriously and even stated that you don't care less.

Above is you saying you couldn't care less. Then why did you take the responsibility of votebanning someone? 

 

[Money Man]

15 hours ago, Covert Narcissist said:

In-Game Name

Mayor Slayer

Your Steam ID

(STEAM_0:1:147828805)

Why were you banned or warned?

"Two false votebans"

Why should you be unwarned/unbanned?

I made an initial votekick against Nawaf who attempted cuffing me while we were both officers. I outcuffed him, because I have the instant cuff perk. I attempted votekicking him, which failed and he attempted votekick me but that too failed.

Then later PD was being raided. There was no advert of any kind made to raid PD. I had an item, can't recall what it was and am not overly concerned about it if I can't remember what it was but I lost it to a guy raiding PD without adverting it. Which pissed me off. I attempted votekicking him but it failed.

So then VoN (STEAM_0:0:42848692) votebanned me for two false votekicks. Which is wrong, 1 false votekick at best (which is assuming Nawaf didn't attempt cuffing me, which he totally did attempt). The other votekick was WHOLEY JUSTIFIED but failed due to votes.

Who warned/banned you?

VoN (STEAM_0:0:42848692)

How long were you warned or banned for?

1 hour

I don’t think the votekicks were false, as long as Nawaf did try to attempt cuffing you. But, inciting other players is very clearly not allowed. Neutral for unban

[Covert Narcissist]

45 minutes ago, Money Man said:

I don’t think the votekicks were false, as long as Nawaf did try to attempt cuffing you. But, inciting other players is very clearly not allowed. Neutral for unban

I talked to Nawaf in game and he and I are cool and hold nothing against one another. 

Its very apparent that VoN made the voteban without sufficient means. Both of my votekicks were justified. VoN acted without actually ensuring the voteban was justified. Which is why he deliberately chose not to screenshot the non-existent PD RAID advert that he claimed was present (but was not). He claimed he had poor reading comprehrension, was too busy eating a hot burrito and said that I was at fault because I wasn't recording. Server restart was shortly imminent and he apparently thought it would be funny to wait until logs were reset while I wait an hour to be unbanned.


I believe a warn at best would be better for a single instance of inciting other players to RDM a player for 24m, than this poorly held together voteban for votespam when no spamming was present. I can repost the claim by VoN where he stated I was very much spamming the votekick system, when its very apparent even in his report that only 2 votekick attempts were made. Good rule of thumb is spam is 3 or more.

[VoN]

dunno why my responses are being deleted in this thread but we ball

 

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"Server restart was shortly imminent and he apparently thought it would be funny to wait until logs were reset while I wait an hour to be unbanned."

 

Wild accusation by the way, it was around 1/30 hours before restart and I got off. Not my problem you decided to have a stick up your ass an hour before restart-time and continuously votekicked people for rules that aren't being broken. Can you prove that by the way? Because you made no effort to while you were still ingame. You even said yourself that evidence should be gathered whilst voting against another player. And again, you shouldn't rely on other players for evidence if you're the one who's going to be initiating votekicks or bans.

 

"Good rule of thumb" is situating it with the player ingame who're supposedly breaking the rules like "raiding PD without advert" or whatever other reason you votekicked another person for. Unless they're blatantly breaking the rules where it's obvious to other players like MRDMing [but that's just my opinion]

 

Posting this mainly for the timestamp ^

 

Also, I wasn't eating a burrito, it was a fuckin garlic-crust pizza hot-pocket. If you can't differentiate peak to mid, then maybe that's why you cast votes senselessly

Edited September 1 by VoN

[Covert Narcissist]

7 hours ago, VoN said:

dunno why my responses are being deleted in this thread but we ball

 

 

Wild accusation by the way, it was around 1/30 hours before restart and I got off. Not my problem you decided to have a stick up your ass an hour before restart-time and continuously votekicked people for rules that aren't being broken. Can you prove that by the way? Because you made no effort to while you were still ingame. You even said yourself that evidence should be gathered whilst voting against another player. And again, you shouldn't rely on other players for evidence if you're the one who's going to be initiating votekicks or bans.

 

"Good rule of thumb" is situating it with the player ingame who're supposedly breaking the rules like "raiding PD without advert" or whatever other reason you votekicked another person for. Unless they're blatantly breaking the rules where it's obvious to other players like MRDMing [but that's just my opinion]

 

Posting this mainly for the timestamp ^

 

Also, I wasn't eating a burrito, it was a fuckin garlic-crust pizza hot-pocket. If you can't differentiate peak to mid, then maybe that's why you cast votes senselessly

You're correct, I was wrong about the server restart time. You banned me right before 7am EST and the restart happened at 9am EST. I mistakenly thought it was at 7am EST, but upon joining the server at around 10:27, I was informed otherwise by TheDraco that !slogs always restart at 9 or 10. Can't remember which one. But below is a video of the command console logs after having left the server. This is what I was referencing when saying I couldn't access logs, epecially after having believed !slogs reset earlier.

YOU THEN SAY (read the highlighted part only):

My response: Why would I need evidence for making two kick reports? They don't last on a player's record. Votebans, as you've done, do. Nawaf has already said he's unconcerned about the attempted votekick, which IS evident of the fact that you VOTEBANNED ME for a single votekick attempt against an RDMer. Can you even tell me the name of the player who RDMed me, that I votekicked? Can you bring them to the forum to hold anything against me? I highly doubt that, especially since the votekick did not go through and as far as I'm aware they're pretty anonymously unconcerned about a failed votekick attempt.

 

Here I see a TEXT FILE where you SAVED the entire situtation. Why haven't you sent a screenshot where the PD Raider I attempted votekicking, ADVERTED "PD RAID!!"
You're evidently hiding information. Thats absolutely unacceptable. Frankly, at this point you can just edit the file. The fact you haven't implies you never had the information

Edited September 1 by Covert Narcissist
VoN had a saved text file which should have recorded an advert for "PD RAID!" by the 2nd guy I attempted votekicking. He did not supply this information because it did not exist

[Covert Narcissist]

I’m hoping to get the one-hour ban I received—and the record that came with it—reevaluated. Here’s why I think it’s necessary:

 

1. No Harm, No Foul: I’ve already talked to Nawaf, one of the guys involved, and he’s totally cool with what happened—no hard feelings. This shows that my vote-kick didn’t cause any lasting problems. The other vote-kick was clearly aimed at someone who was breaking the rules, so I stand by that decision too. AND so far the other guy has remained entirely anonymous with no known concerns to contest AN ATTEMPTED VOTEKICK against him for raiding PD without adverting. To such an extent, that the only person holding anything against me is VoN, upon whom was irrelevant to either situation and has had no harm come upon him.

 

2. Evidence Standards: VoN mentioned that I should’ve gathered evidence before vote-kicking. I get that, but we’re talking about vote-kicks here, not bans. Vote-kicks are supposed to deal with immediate issues—they don’t leave a permanent mark on a player’s record. It seems unfair to hold me to the same standard as if I were handing out a ban. My actions were in line with what the vote-kick system is meant for: dealing with rule-breaking on the spot.

 

1. My actions were justified: I only vote-kicked two people, and both were for legit reasons. The first guy tried to cuff me without any reason, which is clearly against the rules. The second vote-kick was for someone who RDM’d me without even adverting a PD Raid. These weren’t random vote-kicks; they were necessary responses to people breaking the rules.

 

4. The Ban Was Overkill: It feels like VoN jumped the gun with the vote-ban, especially since I wasn’t spamming or abusing the system. I was trying to address actual rule violations. The vote-ban has now left a mark on my record that feels totally unnecessary, especially when my actions were justifiable.

 

5. My Request: Given all this, I’m asking for the ban to be removed from my record. It seems like an overreaction to what was, at worst, a misunderstanding. I hope you can see that this situation doesn’t warrant a permanent black mark on my account.

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this. I’m just looking to keep my record clean and move on.

Best regards

Edited September 1 by Covert Narcissist

[Covert Narcissist]

It's evident that Staff seem to have no intention of removing the voteban without evidence, and that they like shorter reports, so hoping this does the ban appeal justice.

What evidence do I have?

I do not have logs for either votekick but I do have responses from both players about the situation. Rubik will need to check the logs for that day. The votekick attempt made against Suk Maballs was made right after 3:47am (idk what time zone, thats what VoN's logs say) on 30-8-2024. I highly doubt any I need logs for Nawaf as he's supportive of the situation, he and I get along very well. Suk Maballs on the otherhand is unforgiving of the situation but he doesn't remember any of it to begin with (which I have on record). Suk maballs was very confused about his relevance to this report because of how little an impact the situation had on him.

Nawaf (STEAM_0:0:516371064)  (discord:nawaf9344)

Suk Maballs (76561198422518235) (discord: creme69)

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Conclusion: Both attempted votekicks had no negative impact on these players or the server, especially since they both failed due to a majority of No votes. It's evident that VoN's voteban was unnecessary. 
 

Edited September 2 by Covert Narcissist